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Posted by: Adam on August 8th, 2010

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I have a great idea for this site. Actually it is a borrowed idea from cbssports.com that I think this site should implement. Since I don’t know if there is a place for site suggestions, I have decided to post it here to express my views and see what other people think about this idea. The idea is a reputation system. On cbssports.com there are 5 reputation levels. 1st level is Amateur. 2nd level is Rookie. 3rd level is Pro. 4th level is All-star. 5th level is Superstar.

Now, there are 4 factors that go into which reputation a person receives. First is connections. On cbssports.com, you can add  people as a favorite user. The more people that added you as a favorite user as well as the more people that you invited to the site will increase your connections score. Also, if a user that has a higher reputation adds you as a friend, that will be a greater influence to your score as opposed to a person with a lower reputation score.

The second category that effects your reputation is value. Not only can each blog be rated like on this site, but also each comment can also be rated. The more positive ratings you get on your blogs and comments, the higher your value score is. And just like connections, the ratings you get from users with a higher reputation will weigh more in the overall score.

Third is participation. The longer you have been with the site and the more comments you make, the higher your participation score will be.

The last factor that plays into your reputation is skill. Now this wouldn’t apply at all to this site, but your skill level is determined by how well you perform in fantasy games in cbssports.com.

Now the point with this is that the higher your reputation is, the more privileges  you receive on the website. This means you have to prove your worth as a user and the people that are more dedicated to the site, will be the more privileged. It’s only fair. Many times when every single user has every single privilege, chaos can form. However, if a reputation system is implemented, the quality of the site improves and more people will end up enjoying the site. One example of a privilege not give right away is creating a new blog or thread. Now, I can’t remember how high up the food chain you have to be on cbssports in order to create a new thread, I think it’s either Pro or All-Star, but as a brand new user or a user that has abused their privileges on the site and are at amateur level, they aren’t allowed to create new threads. Only make comments on current threads. Now on this site, there are many new blogs created every day. A lot of them are duplicate subjects that are created either by a new user not knowing there was a previous blog about it or an annoying user that is spamming the blogs just in spite. Not being allowed to post a new blog as a new user or an abusive user would do a few things. First, it would lessen the amount of new blogs created. This would allow us to enjoy the current blogs more and enjoy the friendly discussions a lot more without having to keep up with all the new blogs that are constantly being created. Second, it would increase the quality of the blogs and thus make the sites more enjoyable. The users on lower reputation levels would still be allowed to participate and give their opinions by making comments on the current blogs, but they would also be given the opportunity to prove their worth as a user and earn the right to more privileges. This is just one of the many advantages to a reputation system.

Now, obviously it wouldn’t be good to copy the exact system that cbssports.com has, but I believe that this site could create their own reputation system and make the necessary adjustments to certain aspects on this site to help the system succeed. I think it would increase the quality of this site and make it more enjoyable. What do you think?

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  1. Lee says:

    I love that idea.

  2. Adam says:

    Thank you JC. I’m quite fond of it myself.

  3. Kelton says:

    I like the idea… but something tells me that you are already giving me a 1.
    However it would be a great idea. Some people (as my self) get a little too confident and go spewing out crap in word form. So I think it’d be good.

  4. Adam says:

    Well, I did give you a one a few times, Kelton, but I also have given you a 5 plenty of times, so it evens out.

  5. Kelton says:

    thank you sir.

  6. Adam says:

    You are welcome. Plus, like you mentioned, if several people go out and give you ones and your reputation lowers, it will allow you to take a step back and realize what you can do better to help improve the site.

  7. Seth says:

    i dont dislike the idea, but i dont think id personally ever get into it…..

    still a good idea, it would increase activity on the site

  8. Alex Burnett says:

    I’m a huge forum goer, and I can tell you that “reputation” rankings never go over well. When (and I’m using forum situations as examples) someone needs X number of posts and X activity to have a signature, all those people that can’t have one complain that they’re not being treated fairly. When someone needs X time on the forum to post a new topic in X section, all you get (especially towards the admins) is the people complaining about how new people could have the same if not better quality posts then the veterans, etc.

    Now this system your suggesting has different features on it than posts and time, however. Rating systems and connections aren’t implemented on forums. I don’t know how well this system works on cbssports.com, and I realize this is far from a forum situation, but I fear the kind of chaos that COULD ensue (such as spamming other people’s blogs) because they don’t have the same rights. I also see, however, that those posts could be rated down…maybe trying to teach those people to change.

    So I really don’t know. Experience tells me these things never work. But the changes from the system I’m used to just might. Not sure if I really support it yet though. there’s always kinks… (big one is rating system could be abused)

  9. Adam says:

    Good comments Alex. And you’re right, it’s going to have to be a the right system and one that is well thought out and well done, because it can be abused. However, I speak as an experienced user on cbssports.com and the system they have is very well done. If you’re not familiar with the site, cbssports.com is much more than your typical sports information site. Yet it’s not your typical forum site either. It’s a combination of the two. There is the section that is out right forum style, yet at the end of each article, while most places have a comment area, cbssports.com has a forum area for that specific article or page. So it’s very advanced. I haven’t used it much recently, but I’ve been on there long enough to have made it to the illustrious Superstar status and I’m telling you, they have a dang good system. If you want more reading on their specific system and how they do the reputation, follow this link: http://www.cbssports.com/mcc/authors/help/reputations_four_factors?tag=pageContainer;reputationCnt
    It can be done!

  10. Gerald says:

    Alex, the ones that complain are usually the ones that people don’t want seeing posting blogs all over the place. Besides, there is usually a warning to things like that. If someone doesn’t like it, don’t use that blog.
    Now the thing I think this site also could used is a true “chat.” The chat is pretty much just like the blogs.

  11. Fan says:

    So basically this is a popularity contest. If you write a blog more people agree with you are more worthy of writing I guess. Doesn’t that discourage free exchange of ideas. Kind of like elementary school, if you have more friends on the best teams you get choosen. I was under the impression this was to be an open site for all fans to participate, not just those with a great “reputation”.

  12. Adam says:

    Yeah, the chat thing kinda confuses me. When I think of chat, I think of chat room, instant messenger type thing, but this one being a clean, Jazz fan chat room, but it’s just a forum section like this one, with a few minor differences.

  13. Adam says:

    Deb- With a reputation system, you still can openly participate just as well. Example. I have have participated plenty and even more than some, just ask Champ and Gerald, yet this is the first actual blog I’ve created. So I disagree with your point. Plus, you can always go to the current chat section.

  14. Gerald says:

    Deb, I was kind of under the impression that no one is going to play a pick-up game of dodge ball on these boards, so yeah. Even though I understand your point, it doesn’t really seem to have any ground to it.

  15. Adam says:

    What the reputation system does is create more educated blogs to comment on. Anyone and their dog can comment on them and participate openly

  16. Joseph says:

    So… I really racked my brain to think of some “smart comment” to say here, buuuuut… nothing. I think this idea has some definite possibilities here. Also, if it did happen, you could always have a trial period to see how everyone liked it. Just because something changes, it doesn’t mean the changes have to be permanent. My opinion? Not a bad idea Adam. I like longer discussions anyway.

  17. Fan says:

    Adam,
    So if the only thing anyone without a good enough reputation can do is comment on someone else’s blog? Wouldn’t this just cause the comments to be way off target as these folks without a reputation try to get their own message across on an entirely different concept than the original blog? I just think this would discourage any fans new to the site from sharing their opinion on a subject of their choice.
    Gerald,
    No this site in my opinion is not suppossed to be like a Dodgeball game, that is just my point, it isn’t a game at all, there should not be winners and losers, just people free to share their opinions.

  18. champ says:

    That’s a great idea Adam. Less work for us to keep this site under control. Without us, Ger, and a few others, this site would be out of control with blogs. Your right, we never get a chance to enjoy a blog before the next blog comes out about the same topic. Some users just feel like they can’t comment but need to start their own post so everyone can read their comment. If we controlled that then many of those I need my own blog to make a comment users can just comment. Kelt, your a good sport, we give you a hard time, but you don’t let it stop you. With a system we could control your blog creating happiness a bit. Its not just you Kelt, but we’re cool and I know you don’t get offended easily.

  19. Adam says:

    Deb- You’re a Jazzbot. Now, I’m not judging at all, but I know there are Jazzbots out there that are really cool and are part of the group and I feel that there are some that elevate themselves above the rest by just creating a blog and not joining the group party with the rest of us. Which one are you? Because if you read the posts and enjoy life like the rest of us, you will know that we get way off subject all the time. Where’s the rule that you have to stay strictly on subject? I’ve started lots of random conversations on this site and this is my first blog that I’ve done. Plus, I promise that there will still be plenty of subjects for newcomers to express their opinions on. Over the course of the last month, I think people have talked about only 5 – 10 different subjects on about 500 – 1,000 different blogs. Isn’t that a little ridiculous to you? If someone comes in, proves that they are educated and are a true fan, and sticks with the site they will have the ability to create their own blogs in no time. On cbssports.com it was rather easy to jump up the ranks if you have a decent brain in your head. It’s like getting a new job. They don’t just throw you out right at the get go. They spend some time training you on how to do the job first, then they let you free. Same idea. Now what you are sounding like with your “everybody should be allowed to do everything on the site the second they sign up” attitude is those bonehead politicians that are constantly preaching political correctness. “THAT’S NOT POLITICALLY CORRECT TO PUT SOME ORDER TO A BLOG WEBSITE!!!” That’s what you sound like. Wake up and smell the roses.

  20. Adam says:

    And, yes. Props to Kelton for standing your ground and not getting offended. You’re a little weird at times, but that’s the case with all of us, I guess.

  21. csl says:

    this is my first comment and may be my last we will see. i read this site a lot, every night in fact, because i love the jazz. always have always will. but i am getting so frustrated and this blog pushes me over the edge. i read the comments about the blogs to hear debate about the jazz to hear the free exchange of idea’s and opinion. not to hear a group of three shoot down everything people say and act like a bunch of jazz fan prudes! it’s sad i love this site but i find myself skipping blogs just because certain names are posted all up and down them, not to talk about the jazz or initiate more conversation just to add to a problem. save it for your facebook where you can poke and giggle with your buddies and have a grand old time. as for this blog i can almost hear your condescending tone as if you have already reached the “allstar ” ranking in your mind because after all you are the most knowledgeable person here. i for one just liked to read, not comment, but under this system i would be forced to listen to your “allstar” b.s. i would be forced give up on ever posting because the control that would give you and your cronies over us the “rookies” for rankings, recommendations and so on. i hope against hope that all of you can set your ego’s aside and just make this fan site better. it’s not a contest and after all who has the right to rate a jazz fans love of the jazz? it’s probably full of errors, bad grammar runs in the family.

  22. csl says:

    ah “super star” my bad

  23. French Dude says:

    I don’t know if the Adam proposal is the good one, but why not, something have to be done to clean this mess, coz clearly utahjazz360 is becoming a mess…… I liked Jazzbots, and i don’t take as many pleasure on utahjazz360….
    On Jazzbots we had about 10 blogs every weeks, reel articles, with reel writing effort and creativeness, and then we could debate on….
    But Deb, you talk about sharing your opinion, i want that but how i can do that, and where ????? like Adam said, you have 500 blogs on 5 subjects, 10 or 20 every day…… how can i choose where i can debate in the middle of this big nowhere
    Maybe i’m wrong but i think i’m not alone to think that coz exception of the so productive James Seaman, i don’t see many of the Jazzbots actors participating on the debate

  24. @Adam- I don’t know if this would work but I applaud the effort of trying to figure out some sort of way to clean up the mass amounts of repetitive and/or poorly written posts. What I really don’t like is reposting a link to another author and not saying ANYTHING about it. I enjoy reading the other article but at least that person should tell us why they posted it. I think something needs to be done. I just don’t have enough experience with this ranking system to determine whether it is something that I would back of not.

    @French Dude- I hear ya man. I loved Jazzbots. If I missed a week or so I could take an hour and catch up, read and post on all of the blogs I missed. It was somewhere that I ended up going everyday. Here, I can’t keep up and can’t understand half of what I read.

  25. Kelton says:

    thanks guys.

  26. JC says:

    I like the idea of people attaining ranks, ranking comments is nice too.

  27. Adam says:

    @csl- The three of us you are talking about don’t go around shooting down everything. We only go and shoot down people who say unintelligent things or make stupid, repetitive blogs. All we are doing is trying to make things better on this site so that readers like you can enjoy it more. Without our efforts as the UtahJazz360 police, this site would’ve failed by now.

    @French Dude, Boondock Saint- Yes, I totally agree with you. If not this idea, something needs to be done to help this site because right now it is in utter chaos. If I didn’t love the Utah Jazz I wouldn’t be here because the setup is real poor.

  28. JC says:

    utter chaos?

    well, my biggest beef is that people just post in the blogs section, I wish the simple small thoughts would go in the message board area – otherwise, I’m not sure I follow the utter chaos. I mean, I’m finding things that I’m looking for pretty easily.

    But when is Greg updating his Ask Greg piece again? seems like it’s been a little bit…

  29. JC says:

    wait, i had an idea: what if there were a little icon that said “new comment” or denoted new posts; i think i’d like that too.

    … also I think you can do polls on here now (i.e. which player do you like mo’bettah? a) jim b) ted c) frank d) eddy )

  30. champ says:

    @csl where should I start. First off, be straight up and call us out instead of mentioning us as a group of three. I’m sure I’m one your talking about. We call people out directly at them, but not to shoot them down. If I disagree with a blog and its topic I will debate my point, if it’s a useless, repetitive, irrelevant post, best believe I will say something. And its only to make this site more enjoyable. As I’m debating on one blog, another goes up on the same topic, then what? We start debating on the new one, causing users to feel the need to start their own to get their point across. If you call us out your better put both sides of the story, you claim to read the site everyday so you should have seen where the group of three (The big three) has complimented certain blogs. Check it out, you might have missed a night. What’s funny csl? you…you claim to be pushed over the edge by this blog, how do you think we feel when see blogs that drive us crazy. Yeah at the end your just like us. And the big three came into fruition by guess what?, csl… yeah you guessed it, debating/arguing. We’ve gone at it with each other, but I bet you missed that as well. And one last thing, if your going to comment/post blogs, the least you can do is put up a bio. Users that just come on to read, that’s whatever, that was you. Now your not, so who are you csl? Don’t need your life story but basics would be nice. I’ll be looking for it. If your comment was indeed your last then its whatever. We will see.

  31. kevin says:

    I agree to the point that its seems like very few blogs on this site get a lot of attention. More people just right blogs than they comment on other blogs. I like long conversation with other users. Adam’s ideas would possibly cut out a little of the repetitive blogs and generate more conversation on the existing blogs.

  32. kevin says:

    I meant write

  33. JC says:

    If you want your blog to get noticed, post it on your Facebook, comment on it, get people to vote on it.

    You can sort blogs by commented, viewed, voted.

  34. Gerald says:

    Ok

    @Deb, but your reference was that using that system would be like a game, which in any case it wouldn’t. There are a little bit more dynamics with social popularity in school than being on here. In school things like that will happen, but there are other factors of judgment. On here, everyone has the same factor of judgment, and that is their topics and their ability to articulate.

    @csl Why would you want to go through many of the same blogs? We are talking about free speech, but we never said anyone couldn’t comment. But we are talking about organization of the speech. Also, I would much rather read something that is coherent than having someone post blogs that I have to go through that might be incoherent, because of the…oh….wait for it…..”blogger” themself. I believe I already mentioned that the people that are complaining are most likely the ones that shouldn’t be posting the blogs anyway. Having a comment on another blog opens more ways for discussion, because its like more people in a room about 1 topic. When you take the building (UJ 360) and separate it into many many rooms (the blogs) then you get less exchange of ideas and conversation from the people in those rooms, (the fans.) Oh, and if you feel the need to be defensive about the “big 3″ then make your own. :D Otherwise, continue reading, or don’t.

    This is for anyone and everyone. We obviously are all Jazz fans, but blog sites don’t have an emotion-tester for seeing the level of how much we are a fan, nor does it grade our emotional of our fandom. But these boards do allow us to give our thoughts, but our thoughts even though show we are a fan don’t show the level of our fandom, but they do show how intelligent or how completely moronic that person could be. (This is disregarding the minor mistakes that a person could make, i.e. typing “ther” instead of “their”. See how my finger might have accidentally missed the “i” key?)

  35. Gerald says:

    P.S. my last comment was nice. I’m sure the other 2 of the big 3 can attest to that.

  36. Gerald says:

    Going to rag on myself for a moment ” nor does it grade our emotional of our fandom. But these boards do allow us to give our thoughts, but our thoughts even though show we are a fan don’t show the level of our fandom, but they do show how intelligent or how completely moronic that person could be.” this part of my comment could have been better organized. I used 3 “buts.” HAHAHAHA

  37. Fan says:

    Wow Adam you have really stirred up some feelings here. I was a little surprised by the personal nature of your comment to me, not to mention that you felt the need to yell at me at the ending of the comment. Yes I do write for Jazzbots and yes I do read and comment on many of the post on both sides of the page. I would never put myself “above” anyone else, my opinion is no better or worse than anyone else’s. I don’t think anyone needs to have super star status on this site. I think csl’s comment had some points I was trying to make. I would hate to see new fans to the Jazz, or just to this site, be intimidated about writing. Just one final question, Do your roses smell different than mine?

  38. J.C.2. says:

    @Adam

    Is your screen name on CBS Shan18 or something like that? If not I don’t know if you’ve seen me around but’s jaysta125 right here.

  39. kevin says:

    I think the whole idea of the reputation thing is to give people a chance to look around and see what topics have been talked about enough. I was on that site to and it is not hard at all to climb up, probably not even as hard as adam makes it seem, but it gives the new users a chance to get a feel for what has been talked about.

  40. csl says:

    you guys can get mad but you do not police this site, who appointed you? as for gers comment no one should have to have a big three to do something on this site it is not a war it’s a fan site. also your comment about how you can rate someones intelligence by reading their comment or blog is childish. we do not post so we can have our english professor correct it and return it back to us to correct it, which proves my point you do not run this site. i think the ranking is not a good idea. champ, ger, and adam you have proved they will abuse the system, the most commented on post is you guys talking to each other like a facebook chat about nothing. you are discouraging new users. i agree the posts look like duplicates, my theory is that it’s off season all people have to post on is speculation. so why don’t you three (champ, ger, and adam) post something new and exciting, showing off your creative prowess. i also will write an article and we can discuss and enjoy. lead by example if you think your a leader

  41. Gerald says:

    csl, I believe it was YOU that mentioned us 3 first. Champ just said big 3 as a joke. I was only going off that joke. If you couldn’t recognize that and want to blame us for something that you brought up, well thats more of the moronic mentality that I wasn’t giving you credit for. (Champ, Adam, I have this.) As for them, I don’t need them to handle issues, but I like what they have to say at times, because that gives me a break from dealing with people like you. They also have intelligent things to say, and see things along the same line. Although, keep blaming us for something you did. Shows who you really are and the very reason you are ATTEMPTING to have this argument/discussion.

    Now to read what a person says and figuring out there intelligence isn’t childish at all. It’s actually performed by everyone on this site, as well as all other boards to some degree. That’s 2 hits against you that you did all on your own. It’s a blog. Of course this is based exactly on the intelligence of that person on the subject. What topics they have to say and how well they are able to articulate their points. If it wasn’t, then all people would be correct about anything they would say. And as for intelligent people, that is obviously WRONG.

    Strike 3 is the fact that Adam never said that it would be us, or even exculsively us to “run this site” as you say. He just mentioned an idea. The idea is a guideline. It would be very difficult for us to abuse the system. And if we were abusing the system, there are several others, because several other fans have said some of the very same things we are say. We 3 are just being vocal about it now. So what are you going to do? Clear us all out? Oh wait, because like James and I have seen eye to eye, and even been in debate before. There is also Jazzoholic, Van Muhle, Alex, Deb (even though we didn’t agree, she made some intelligent points on here,) that’s just to name a few. James has good things to say, even if I might not agree with him. There are plenty of times that I have given credit where credit is due, even if I don’t agree with them. Those are things that are completely opinionated, but both people are being intelligent commentors about it. You obviously currently lack this skill.

    Hit 4, it goes off of what I was just saying. Champ mentioned that we also give compliments to people. An area that you have failed to recognize or conceed. You should to hold your own wait on a message board before you even attempt to argue a major point against someone.

  42. Gerald says:

    Forgive me, I misspelled his name, is Jazzaholic. (That wasn’t sarcasm, but sincerity.)

  43. Gerald says:

    And I also used the wrong “wait.” It should be “weight.” That’s also another thing I think this blog should have is a wait to go back and edit a comment when you recognize your own mistakes that you didn’t intend to make when you post comments. Although I have mentioned this idea before.

  44. csl says:

    haha it seems i have bruised your ego which seem’s to be very tied into this site. you have not read my comment very carefully so we have reached an impasse.

  45. csl says:

    i agree with deb

  46. champ says:

    csl, still no bio. I’m waiting on that. I’m not going to repeat whats been said by Ger already, but I copy that. I will say that no one appointed us, it just happened because we’re more vocal than others. Saying that, we don’t mind it when we get called out. So if you read the blogs like you say you would see that. We don’t take it personal and we’re all friends at the end.

    You obviously need to re-evaluate you stance on this topic because your wrong csl, wrong. And one more thing on the abusing the system, how? really? Yeah Ger and Adam will keep giving me high rankings right. Those two will put me over the top right? Haha, try again. I’m sure Adam and Ger would be the first to call me out on something stupid. You got nothing csl, just a bias towards us for no valid reason. Wow.

  47. Gerald says:

    csl, no. You didn’t bruise my ego. You don’t have those kind of skills. But I will give you credit for something.

  48. Adam says:

    @JC2- My screen name on cbssports.com is actually alienator345. I haven’t posted on that site at all for just over 2 years. Being this is a UTAH Jazz site, you might could guess what I was doing.

    @Deb- I didn’t think I was that personal. No, I actually wasn’t saying your the bad Jazzbot, I just mentioned there are two types of Jazzbots and I was asking a reflective question to make you think about which one you were. I disagree with your points, but I could get more personal if you want me too. You mention in your profile that you are married and have a son that is 26. This means that you are most likely in your late 40’s or early 50’s, which could explain a lot of things you have said. Is that personal enough for you? But hey, back to being non personal, your comments are educated and well thought out. I just disagree. I’m glad we can get the opposing view in here. That way people can compare and contrast. Now, you mentioned I got some people stirred up. Look at this. In just over 24 hours, this blog got over 40 comments. Now imagine if every blog had this much conversation. How great would that be? But now because everyone and their dog can make hundreds of blogs if they want and 10-20 new ones are created each day, the average blog gets only 5-10 comments. If you get up to 20 your deemed good. That’s just no fun

    @csl- now I don’t have to say much to you. I think Gerald took care of things. Let me just remind you that no one appointed us. No one made us the invincible three. If Champ or Gerald says something really stupid, I’d be the first one to point in out. In fact, it’s happened before. It just so happens that we all have a similar outlook on things, so we just seem to get along well. Now of course you could abuse the system. However, it takes some boneheaded moves to do so like purposely giving everyone the best ranking and adding everyone. I’m not going to do that. I’m not the type that will abuse the system. It was my idea. Why would I do that?

    I like what Kevin said. No, it’s not hard at all to climb the rankings. Just follow the guidelines and suggestions set forth and stick with the site and you’ll get it in no time. It’s just a good briefing to get you oriented with the site. There are millions of users on cbssports.com that are superstar and there would be many people on this site that would get it. It’s not a horrible, nightmarish, segregating, prideful idea. Fairly simple and very useful.

  49. Van says:

    Just my two bits here, I read an interesting article on ESPN just after the world cup about why MLS has trouble finding new fans and the author felt one major reason was because the old or “true” fans being hostile towards new ones. Im sure we have all seen this phenomenon at one time or another like someone who has a favorite band they consider underground but when that band becomes popular the original fans berate the new comers, the feel robbed of something they problably intigrated into the own self esteem in some way, its not just some rare band, it was a part of themselves they itentified with. Well this can happen with anything and the article pointed out how it had happened with the MLS and was hurting its ability to grow. I think this relates to the effect that Adam used words like ” If someone comes in, proves that they are educated and are a true fan, and sticks with the site they will have the ability to create their own blogs in no time. ” Interesting thing is who decides who is a “true fan” or intelligent enough? The moderators or the owner of the server space? To me this reputation system is a glorified popularity contest much like deb and csl have pointed out. Blogs are just there for fans to express themselves, if you dont like what they are posting dont read it, I dont see how it adversley affects you. I would argue making people jump through hoops and appeal to or apease the so called “allstars” would simply just degenerate into this big choatic mess your refering to. Freinds would simply vote for eachother not based on the quality of the material but rather how well it appealed to their line of thinking, how much they liked that person or simply how much of a “true fan” they are.

  50. Adam says:

    Have you even read my posts here Van Muhle? I give everyone an equal opportunity. If I criticize someone it’s because I didn’t like what they said. If I praise someone it’s because I liked what they said. I don’t criticize someone because they’re new or unfamiliar to me. I don’t praise someone they are a friend. It’s not about a popularity contest. It’s about giving credit where credit is due. And Van Muhle, I disagree with lots of the stuff you post, but you’re a classy dude that knows what he’s talking about. You’d get a good reputation if it was set up. So how ’bout that? I’m not the bonehead you make me to be.

  51. TACOREV says:

    This seems like it could be a good idea. But personally, I like things simpler. I don’t really like how everything is becoming more and more complicated now, as if it was the next version of facebook or something. Everyone has to become friends with everyone, you become a fan of something, you “like” that you’re a fan of something, then you become a fan of your “like”ing. I like the simple way this blog is put together, you don’t have to have like a full-fledged bio, a profile pic, pictures from your recent vacation, a status update every time you eat a donut…

    That said, I can understand the annoyance when people treat this fan blog as if it were their personal blog, posting every frivolous thing that comes to their mind. Without such a “reputation” factor, this is going to happen. However it seems that all we would have to do is say to to the person, “Hey. It’s great that you’re enthusiastic and all, but every idea you have doesn’t necessarily warrant a new blog post.”

    I still think the more trivial stuff should go on the message board. With the message board, the topics that are being discussed stay at the top of the board, while the crap fails toward the bottom until it falls off. The blogs just remain posted in the order they were made. And since they appear on the front page of this site, it seems they should focus on the more important stuff. Maybe we could have a terms of agreement for all members to click “I agree” so they know and agree on where to post what and not to eff it up or they’re in big trouble, if you know what I mean.

    This is getting pretty long so I’m done

  52. Adam says:

    I wish it were that easy, TACOREV, to just say, “Hey. It’s great that you’re enthusiastic and all, but every idea you have doesn’t necessarily warrant a new blog post.” I’ve been telling that to people for the last 3 weeks. It doesn’t work. They just create a new blog post telling me to bug off.

    Facebook UtahJazz360? Ok, let’s not exaggerate this, please. I’m talking about a few updates here. Not an extreme home makeover. A reputation system. That’s all. Facebook doesn’t even have that, so eat it. Yes, pun intended there. You’re name and avatar have a taco in them. I almost just left my apartment to go find a taco bell, but they are closed at this hour.

  53. TACOREV says:

    Hahah yeah I realized I got a little carried away with the facebook thing. I wasn’t saying that “facebook jazz360″ was what you were suggesting, I was just trying to get my point across that I prefer simpler things.

    Yeah I understand that in a perfect world, things aren’t that simple. I guess I forgot this isn’t a perfect world. It doesn’t really seem like what you are proposing would be too complicated so I guess I would vote for it if I had a vote.

    Yeah Taco Bell is pretty good, I ate some a couple hours ago right before they closed. By the way this is your buddy Tyson. When I first signed up for this, it asked for a “user name” and a “name”. I typed TACOREV for user name (because it’s a lame name I made up a while ago for message boarding/blogging/etc), thinking it would be the name that appeared, and Tyson as the “name”, thinking it just wanted to know my name. Of course, it was the reverse. So then a few days ago I realized that I could change it, so I did. Then I found this lame picture of a taco, and viah-lah

  54. Adam says:

    Tyson as in the Tyson that’s playing fantasy football with me this year Tyson? Or do I have the wrong idea? What it do? Tacorev is a great idea by the way. You’re a genius. Yeah, I got the point you were making with the original post. I just didn’t want other people to take you literally. It happens here sometimes.

  55. TACOREV says:

    No silly, the Tyson from this site! The one that was making those wacky predictions in the other blog? The one that said you were gonna become coach of the Jazz during one game when Sloan gets ejected

  56. Adam says:

    Oh, that Tyson. I get it, now. Sorry. You said buddy Tyson and immediately the first thing that jumped into my mind was my buddy Tyson in real life and I thought that somehow he figured out who I was. Funny how my mind works. I do remember now, though. Thanks for jogging my memory. We missed you. Did you go on vacation or something because I don’t recall reading a post from you recently.

  57. TACOREV says:

    Haha nah I’ve been coming around now and again. I’ve commented here and there, not a lot though lately. And since I realize this isn’t my own personal blog, I don’t find it necessary to post every Jazz line-up configuration I can think of haha

  58. Adam says:

    There we go. If everyone was like Taco Tyson, we wouldn’t be having this conversation.

  59. champ says:

    What up Ty..Tacorev, I remember you. New identity I see, witness protection program. Onto more important issues, lets hear it csl and lets see that bio.

  60. csl says:

    i am not writing a bio period. you don’t need to know anything about me other then i am a jazz fan. adam feels the need to make things personal with deb, i did not sign on here to have people attack my personal life you know nothing about me or anyone else on here(even the one’s who do have bios).i agree with van muhle i couldn’t have said it better myself.i read that article too it was interesting and you guys fit it perfectly you don’t want new people you want your little club to run things.adam and champ you also claim you gained respect for each other through arguing/debating some how since i disagree with you once i don’t think you’ll ever like me or any post of mine. i have read your guys comments champ you three gang up and call people names, the difference between that and your friendly little arguments is you go one on one with each other and it’s way more friendly then say the three of you calling someone names and ganging up on them. once again self appointed police when no one asked you. skip a blog if it bothers you and talk about the jazz on one thats good. straight from van muhles comment i borred it because i feel you didn’t read it carefully enough.” Adam used words like ” If someone comes in, proves that they are educated and are a true fan, and sticks with the site they will have the ability to create their own blogs in no time. ” Interesting thing is who decides who is a “true fan” or intelligent enough? The moderators or the owner of the server space? To me this reputation system is a glorified popularity contest much like deb and csl have pointed out.” thanks you

  61. Adam says:

    csl, why won’t you put a bio in? You don’t have to tell your life’s story or give away any personal information. Just a brief statement about who you are. If you refuse, I’ll just assume that you are an immature 10 year old, because that’s what you’re acting like right now. Prove me wrong by creating a simple bio.

  62. Gerald says:

    csl, I didn’t call you or anyone any names. You should watch your details. I think that’s the points that you are failng at. Van Muhle had some good points, but I really don’t want to deal with this right now, or I would have a debate with him also.

    You keep mentioning us 3, but be assured that others comment also, and in the same fashion. We have just have a little bond on here. If you can’t gain any bonds with people on the board, that is your fault. The reputation on sites like these are equal. Topics and articulation. Anyone can learn this. The big point with the people that disagree with us “3″ is the fact that we don’t criticize someone for having a good point or debate. Though we do to the ones that run rampid with repeated topics over and over just so that they can feel that everyone might read theirs on the front page. Or the people that don’t take the time to write well enough.

    As I have said, people would probably get more comments and discussions out of visiting few blogs with better content. This blog is a great example. You should learn to be perceptive of details. As to Van Muhle as well to the point of disagreeing and stating this is only “a glorified popularity contest.”

  63. Gerald says:

    And I realized I kind of contradicted myself with saying I didn’t really want to deal with it now, but still stated something.

  64. champ says:

    That bio needs to be done csl, period. I call people names? Well since you say so, I will. Your nuts csl, nuts, nutty. I have not called anyone names, wow. Show me where I have. Gang up? Haha nonsense. Just simply speaking our mind and sometimes we agree so what, that’s your perspective. csl, you got nothing. Lets see that bio.

  65. csl says:

    you have called me moronic and unintelligent and thats just me seriously dude be a little more aware if your going to argue your point. adam no i probably won’t what else do you need to know and to be quite frank i thought about it but what you said to deb was below the belt and i’m not giving anyone that kind of ammunition sorry man.

  66. csl says:

    that first bit was in response to ger

  67. Adam says:

    Here’s my bio:
    “I have been a Jazz fan my whole life. I’ve stuck with them through thick and thin and I hope that at least one time in my life they will win a title. that will make my life complete. My life is very simple right now. I am going to school right now, searching for my future and career. I was born and raised in Utah, just by Salt Lake.”

    Here’s champ’s:
    “27 year old Jazz fan veteran. I live in Cali but I love the Jazz. Representing in L.A. where the Jazz are most hated, well maybe behind the Heat now, but still we’re up there. Find me during Utah vs L.A.Lakers/Clippers games about 6 rows up behind the announcer’s booth in my Jazz gear. Get some!”

    Look, that’s not hard. That’s not even giving out a whole lot of information. Look, if you don’t want to give people any ammunition, you don’t have to. The only thing I gave that was remotely personal was that I was going to school and live near Salt Lake. Champ said he was 27 and lived in LA. You can do it. Now with Deb, she had a whole lot of personal information in her bio. She then accused me of being personal when all that I did was compare her to a bonehead politician. I wasn’t personal at all. When she accused me of being personal, I showed her how personal I could get in order prove a point and help people watch what they say. I tend to be blunt like that. Heck, all Gerald said in his bio is that he has been a Jazz fan all his life. So, just like I said, don’t tell your life’s story. Just give us a simple bio.

  68. Adam says:

    There we go. Good boy, csl. That is definitely better than nothing.

  69. csl says:

    i changed it again. your welcome. don’t call me good boy

  70. Adam says:

    Well you were being a good boy csl. Ok, how about this, “Nice job man!” Is that better? See, creating a bio wasn’t that hard. Champ will be proud of you. Well, maybe.

  71. champ says:

    Thanks csl, you even mentioned me in your bio. I found it pretty amusing. Your asking me to commit suicide, no thanks. Now onto the subject at hand, you stood your ground and had a point to make. You did what most of us do, granted maybe me and Adam does it a little more often, but its not personal. Your good with me and I hope Ger and Adam feel the same. Just one last thing, as I’m writing this there are at least 10 new blogs up. I was still debating the Millsap blog (disregard my stab at you csl that was before this) and now I probably have to move on as I will be talking to myself. That’s what’s frustrating and sucks about this site. And Sorry one more thing, even though we’re cool, you did come on and attack us first csl. You pretty much did what we do when we strong about something and that’s ok. With that its squashed, I’m good.

  72. Adam says:

    Every blog, no matter how good it is, is dead and forgotten about withing the week. I leave for like two or three days and some blogs created while I was gone are already dead. Not cool at all. At least create a feature where the most previously commented on post comes up first instead of most recent.

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