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My Jazz 6th Pick: BISMACK BIYOMBO = Defense + Rebounding
Posted by: Arnell on April 30th, 2011
The author's views are entirely his or her own and may not reflect the views of the Utah Jazz.My Jazz 6th Pick: BISMACK BIYOMBO = Defense + Rebounding
Take a quick look at this:
2011 Nike Hoop Summit: International Measurements
April 4, 2011
Bismack Biyombo
Weight: 243 lbs.
Height (w/o shoes): 6′7.75″
Height (w/ shoes): 6′9″
Wing Span: 7′7″
Body Fat: 4.8%
Standing Reach: 9′3″
Read on some more at: http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Bismack-Biyombo-5902/#ixzz1Kz4hUoP4
During the recently concluded 2011 Nike Hoop Summit in Portland, Oregon, Biyombo registered the very first triple-double (12 points, 11 rebounds, 10 blocks) in the history of the Hoop Summit, shattering Kevin Garnett’s record for blocked shots in the process. Yes, WTF !
Although he is under contract with Fuenlabrada (Spain) for another three years, he has a relatively simple NBA buyout clause (€1 million Euros). What’s even more attractive is the fact that the NBA team that drafts him can rest assured knowing that he can continue to play in Europe in the event of a lockout, which won’t slow his development. That means, the Jazz will chip in USD $500k and Biyombo and/or his Agent will pay the difference to Fuenlabrada (over a period of time).
As to his Free Throw (currently only at 55% is highly correctable if he listens and works with Coach Hornacek. He has nice strokes both on FT and Jump Shots which undeniably needs work. And, I have no doubt that he possess the work ethic to improve on these in due time. But, this kid brings in the hustle, heart, Block Shots, and Rebounds that the Jazz direly needs and aspire in a player. Just imagine that in BOYOMBO we are getting the 2nd coming of Sergei IBAKA (OKC) – both comes from the same Republic of Congo.
IMO that if BIYOMBO is available, KOC must take him a Pick #6.
If so, the Jazz can take JIMMER at Pick #12. Don’t take me wrong as I root for both the Utes and Cougars. But, Why? Because of his LEADERSHIP and CHARISMA which is highly complemented by his high Basketball IQ as well as Talents/Skills on and off the court (not to mention the numerous National Awards he garnered a testimonies of all these and more). I see him as a combination of Steve Nash / John Stockton in the making should he continue to work on his PG Role (which largely be Playing Making & Pass First) for Utah Jazz. This kid is of high character and resilient – here’s to also hoping that his Asthma won’t slow him down or curtail his NBA Career just like what happened to Adam Morrison (this is the part ‘physical’ that I am most concerned about because of the demands and rigors of NBA: highly physical and 82 Games plus the Playoffs). The rests of the concerns playing PG for the Jazz are correctible and adjustable. I am optimistic that JIMMER will immediately take reign and restore Leadership in the Team which right now is very fuzzy. So, in this case, you can use Devin Harris to play along Jimmer as a SG/PG while Hayward could slide to SF. Earl Watson will still be highly coveted as he will provide the 2nd Unit the needed PG Leadership especially on the Early H’oop needs for young BIYOMBO and EVANS.
Our 2011-2012 Utah Jazz Line-up:
Starting Five / 2nd Unit:
(PG) JIMMER (R) / WATSON (pg)
(SG) HAYWARD (sg/sf) / HARRIS (sg/pg)
(SF) MILLSAP (sf/pf) / EVANS (sf/pf)
(PF) FAVORS (pf/c) / BIYOMBO (pf/c)
(C) JEFFERSON (c/pf) / FESENKO (c)
Obviously, we must Re-signed FESENKO (Affordable Contract with 2-years Guaranteed and 3-years Team Option) as he has recently shown willingness to work on his Free Throw and Conditioning. Under Coach Corbin, his development will really flourish now when he is given Regular Minutes (meaning first to relieve Jefferson as a Center). As I agree with everyone that you cannot teach Height and you cannot find anyone in list of 2011 Draftees that can equal or better what Fesenko brings to the table – except, perhaps, if we can swap him with MOSGOV (was with NY, now with Denver).
So, we need 4-Players more to have a total of 14 (required by NBA – right?)
- on CJ MILES (sg/sf) – I would still want to keep him in the line up and offer him a Contract (2-years Guaranteed and 3-years Team Option) with the stipulation that a) he improves his Conditioning; b) he listens to the Coaches (ie. to Drive to Hole first, develop his Drive and Pull-up, and improve his 3-Point Strokes to make him a consistent 3-point Shooter);
- on RAJAH BELL (sg) – I will either Trade him or Buy his contract out, unless he will agree to become a Defensive Coach on Corbin’s Staff. Because of his Age and lingering Injuries (ie. Shoulders) it will tough for him to deliver what is expected of him as a PRODUCTIVE SG. The Team cannot anymore risk and gamble like they did for him ¾ of the last season. Therefore, the Team can bring in a cheaper/better option Combo Guard (PG/SG) in the likes of KYLE WEAVER / RYAN THOMPSON / ELIJAH MILLSAP / RICHARD ROBY / JON SCHEYER out of the NBDL ;
- on MEMHET OKUR (c/pf) – Should he is able to recover physically, he may not be able to come back as the kind of player (Money Man) that we all got used to in the past. If there is mutual understanding that he still CAN play, it will be best for him to play 3rd String Center and PF and Mentor the Bigs – and, just play out his last year of contract. Otherwise, the Team will best be served if it buys him out or Trade him to a Team that needs to create a Cap Space. Then, KOC can sign an 3rd String Young-Athletic-Shot Blocking Center from Europe;
- then, sign an under-the-radar MATT HOWARD (Butler) as a PF/SF Role Player. This kid has all the qualities of a Jazz player (heart n’ hustle) and has been to NCAA Championship twice. Very good 3-Point Shooter (39%), Free Throw (79%), and has already developed a Face-up and Back to the Basket moves with very good hands/nose for the ball as well. See his stats at http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Matt-Howard-5313/
Please let me know and share what you think of my scenario. And, tell me about yours too?
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NO!!
I agree with L.K. No No No No No.. Here is a thing or two you missed. First of all Biyombo is interested in playing in the NBA, but he first needs to make a name for himself where he is at first. Oh, did you miss that story. Biyombo told his agent that he plans on making a name for himself before he leaves to play in the NBA.
The next thing is, it was only one game. If we are measuring this guy off of one game then we should look at many guys best games. Sounds nuts to me, but lets take the guy with the best game no matter how he plays the rest of the time.
Second is your line ups. I hope you know your putting two ifs at the small forward. There are some lineups that Millsap works there, but what about those lineups he cant? Evans is a hopeful for that spot as well, but both players are what ifs, they are not solid solutions yet. Fes as our backup Center, I would rather see Favors and Biyombo there.. If your bringing that kid in, he had better be able to handle the work load.
Sorry but these are stretches at best if you ask me. Maybe take him if you get someone good with our first pick and he is around for our second, and our main interests are gone but not 6th.. Here is a link to see his stats for last yr. I can hear foul trouble and benched in 2.5 mins of play.
http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Bismack-Biyombo-5902/
Holy crap you are crazy so lets make a huge huge huge risk with our first #6 pick that is an outrageous pick. He will be just like a much seller tibet and compleatly worthless. I would be so disappointed with this draft if this is who we get if we get someone great with the first pick then fine take a risk on jimmer but to take two risks in the same draft makes no sense. AND the fact that you assume that jimmer would just start like that ha ha ha no way in hell he will our play harris. Very outlandish post
And one more thing just what we need is another under sized pf. A 6′9″ guy playing center ha ha ha ha
I don’t even know where to begin. To come out of this draft with Biyombo and Fredette is probably among our worst possible draft scenarios
Case closed..
The league requires 13 players min. If you check, you’ll see that during the past 2 seasons (while they had cap issues) the JAZZ went with the min. Only after the D-Will trade, when they got 2 players in return, and also when they had players signed to 10 day contracts were they over 13.
Totally agree that drafting Bismack and Jimmer would be the WORST IMAGINABLE DRAFT for us this year. Wow. We would suck.
We should draft Brandon Knight at #6/target Biyombo first/then Motiejunas at #12. Brandon Knight saves this draft for the Utah Jazz. I’m concerned that neither Biyombo/Motiejunas will be available at #12; therefore, we could miss unless KOC gets creative. If we’re successful landing Knight at #6, I believe KOC should try to move up/grab either of the two. I like Biyombo first/ then Motiejunas after Knight.
As far as Jimmer is concerned… no way! Just my take.
As awesome as my Brownies just did in the NFL draft, I would be pretty depressed all the same if this happened.
Bustmack Bum-bo and the Jimmer. Ugh.
Weve already talked about this… Biyambo would be big mistake eve with our 12th pick.
I love our armchair psychics on this website “Jimmer will in no way be this or that” “Biyombo would be a huge mistake..” blah blah blah. you have no idea. In fact the evidence, the stats, the actual facts. show the contrary that Jimmer and Biyombo will be great players and also fill two glaring needs.
To the guy who doesn’t want another 6′9 guy. this guy has a 7′7″ reach and can jump out of the building, think Ben Wallace with really long arms. Ben in his prime dominated games without scoring a point. And he played center. He won defensive player of the year like 4 times. AND dominated Shaq the year the Pistons beat the Lakers in the finals. Biyombo would be a huge upgrade on defense down low over Jefferson, or Millsap.
This website can be so annoying because of speculators like you guys who make certain claims using their own personal opinion and cutting down the opinions of others, without any real basis or fact.
To everyone here, I will be happy if we draft Biyombo and Jimmer, I will also be happy if we draft Hamilton and Kemba Walker. or Kanter and Knight or Burks or whoever. KOC showed us last year the jazz know how to draft with lottery picks. I remember pining for Luke Babbitt after Gordon Hayward was chosen. After seeing Hayward this season, anyone second guessing KOC now? And Jeremy Evans was a huge steal in the 2nd. With the 6th or better pick and the 12th pick, KOC will bring in some guys who will help take us back and deep into the playoffs this year, if there is a season.
btw when asked about Jimmer all KOC would comment was “I’ve been booed before” so far jazz fans booed Stockton and Hayward, Hayward if he plays anywhere near the level he did at the end of the season it looks like we have the 2 best rookies from last year’s class. My guess is most of you guys on this site would boo Jimmer if the jazz drafted him, I hope you do, that means he’ll be a great player.
Ok jaron if you are blasting everyone for not providing stats you didn’t provide any your self. Whoever posted this is sharing his opinion just like everyone else is, just like you, and just like I did. Biyambo has not done anything in the usa to prove himself he has played in the freak’in congo where the competition is worse then europe. Biyambo has a 9′3″ standing reach fez has a 9′4″ reach that does not make him any better. and the reason why no one wants biyambo and jimmer is because they are both huge risks and where it would be ok to have one bust it is not ok to have 2. And if you really want me to start throwing stats at you that will be fine and dandy just let me know.
a combination of Stockton and Nash…really?????? Both of those point guards are pass first guys and i don’t see Jimmer ever being that way, plus Stockton was so great because of his setting up teammates! the only way he relates to either is the nice stroke on the shot like nash and that they are all white.
@Jaron
Simmer down there big guy. Most people aren’t saying Biyombo & Freddette won’t be good players. I think the concern is that both are regarded as possible risks and/or projects. The Jazz are at a point where we can’t afford to take a big risk or wait around too long for a project to develop, especially at the #6 spot, and even more so with both picks. These two, as well as guys like Vesely and Hamilton might be some of the more risky guys out of the lottery projections, for various reasons. I don’t think it would be terrible if the Jazz took one of those guys, as long as they get a solid guy like Knight or Burks with the other pick. If we were a top 4 seed and still had 2 lotto picks, it would be a completely different story and we could afford to take a risk or two. But the Jazz have a long way to go and need to take the guys they think will have the best chance of being solid contributors as soon as next season so that this rebuilding process will turn out to be more of a reloading process
Tacorev, Nicely put. If we can get a solid first pick, maybe we can take a chance on the second pick. I would prefer two solid picks, but with everyone bailing on this draft, and our second pick currently at 12th, it will be a risk.
Cant wait to start tryouts.. The risk I would be willing to take would be Hamilton. SG/SF nice shot, plays defense, makes some bad decisions. The last thing can be coached out. He plays two positions we need help at, and ads what our team is lacking with reb, perimeter d, 3pt shooting.
Something for everyone to look at. How about 3 new mock drafts. All came out this morning. I will even post the 4th so you can say stupid guys, those guys went back to school..
http://www.draftamerica.com/nba-mock-draft.php
http://www.nba-draft.com/2011MockDraftRound1.html
http://www.thesportsbank.net/nba-draft-stock-report/2011-nba-mock-draft-first-round-21811/
http://swishscout.com/?page_id=369
This Sports bank guy is a idiot. Has he been living under a rock?? He mentions Barnes who withdrew weeks ago. And for the Jazz to take someone to stockpile over in Europe for three years is very idiotic.
@Patrick: You’re funny when you commented that “our ‘Jazz’ team is lacking with reb, perimeter d, 3pt shooting.” Answer: And, that is precisely WHY my draft choices were BIYOMBO & JIMMER.
BIYOMBO dominated the paint during the 2011 Hoops Summit. And, just like IBAKA, he will be dominant (of course, after Jazz system) especially towards the 2nd half of the season and his 2nd year. The rest of the Euros have existing contracts and will be tough to rely on them to play this 2nd coming due to their buy-out contracts.
JIMMER will get respect on his perimeter shooting and high basketball IQ that (when he is fully converted to be a Pass-Firts PG and play the Jazz system) he will be able to spread the floor and our guys inside will have a feast.
Yes – I still hold HOPE that KOC will heed to my suggestions here. We’ll see and confer notes after the draft is completed.
@JARON: Thank you for sharing your thoughts with me on this.
The rests of your are still basing your opinions/objections on the periphery and have not backed them up with facts. @JAZZKING & @TACOREV bring it on !
Jaron, I have no problem drafting Bismack Biyombo with our second pick but I’m adamant about Brandon Knight at #6. Bismack Biyombo is worth the risk with our second pick in the first round… I like the athleticism/ potential he brings to the table. At 18, that’s exactly what you get. Knight is probably the best we can do with our first pick. He has some significant skills/terrific upside. Because Earl Watson is no spring chicken, we need a quality young point guard to groom/ease the burden if heaven forbid, Devin Harris is injured. Knight is a quality player who fills a specific need along with Bismack Biyombo/Donatas Motiejunas. If we grab Knight at #6, why in the world would we consider another PG at #12 when we have an alarming Big problem in the paint… the Jazz are likely down 3 Big Bigs/an athletic Big? Jimmer just doesn’t fit our needs here in Utah… plain/simple.
Brandon Knight is a full time NBA PG rather than a hit/ miss, one dimensional, come off the bench shooter like Jimmer. Jimmer is a luxury some teams can afford but the Jazz have more pressing needs. Just my take.
I have joined the Brandon Knight bandwagon. He seems like the pick we want at #6.
Just hope he isn’t gone at 4 or 5 . Even though he is shorter I would not cry if it is Walker either. Or Burks.
“@TACOREV bring it on !”
I love that aside from one person, everybody on this thread completely disagreed with you, yet you choose to single me out. You want facts? Here are some facts. The Nile is in Egypt. The Moors invaded Spain in 711. Magellan began his voyage in 1519. FACTS about these players doesn’t mean a whole lot when translated to the NBA level. If the kind of facts that you’re looking for meant anything, Adam Morrison and JJ Reddick would be superstars right now. Your two guys are widely regarded as hit or miss type players, as Bill implied above. Who knows, maybe they both turn out to be superstars in the NBA… or they could both be flipping burgers in 4 to 5 years. The Jazz just don’t have the luxury of taking that kind of risk with both of their picks if they hope to return to being a legitimate team in the West any time soon
Arnell, I like the effort but your replacing good guys with good guys. We need that from the 2 and 3 spots to spread the floor. Hayward is a start, but it drops off from there unless you think CJ may finally show up next season.. Fredette, is no 2.. So if your going to get a PG, better get a good one. Knight is a good one, who has Fredettes Sophmore numbers as a freshman, and he plays defense, and can probably play the 2 if needed. http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/player/profile?playerId=36409 http://espn.go.com/ncb/player/profile?playerId=51542 Fact
Put Biyombo on the floor, you take off Favors or Millsap, or whoever. Plus, that was one game he had a wonderful game. He usually plays in a league that is worse than Euro leagues. Check his stats and you may rethink things.
Oh, again draft Biyombo if your willing to wait a couple yrs to watch him play here.. He wants to make a name with the team he is playing with. How long will that take? “I want to make a mark for myself before I leave spain” http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Bismack-Biyombo-5902/ http://swishscout.com/?page_id=4908 http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Bismack-Biyombo-5902 Fact, fact, and fact.
Patrick, first off, we don’t draft anyone who isn’t going to be here next year. KOC gets paid big bucks to make sure that any player we draft is serious about coming to the NBA now… not later.
Biyombo registered the very first triple-double (12 points, 11 rebounds, 10 blocks) in the history of the Nike Hoop Summit, shattering Kevin Garnett’s record for blocked shots in the process. Now, he’s projected as a potential lottery pick by “many teams.” In my opinion, his performance was no fluke. Biyombo has raw athletic energy/great potential… but he’s still a kid. That’s why we draft him with our second pick in the first round. Just my take.
Bill, if we get a solid pick with our first pick and Biyombo is best available with the second I am not against taking a risk on him, Its just with the above post, I doubt he comes over for a couple yrs. People want to take a chance on other guys as well. The bad thing is you guys are trying to take chances on our log jam positions.. Why not get Knight and Fredette? Another log jam.. I suggest you look at positions we need the most help at, then go from there.
Biyombo is no big Center and we have 4 PF’s under contract, 5 if we bring AK back, 6 if you include Evans. Do you got some inside info that Biyombo is going to sprout 3 inches over the coming yrs? Our biggest holes right now are the wings.. Once we plug the perimeter and stop being beaten there, if we are losing games, then focus on the paint. I doubt that will happen though.
If your radiator is broken, you dont get a paint job unless you want to sit in a pretty car out in the yard. If you want to go somewhere, you fix the radiator. Biyombo doesnt help with any perimeter stuff especially if we get a PG with the first pick.. Its slim pickings in the Free Agent market too. Guess we shall see.
Worst case scenerio, Vesely first pick, Biyombo second pick. We get Vesely in two yrs with Tomic, and Biyombo the yr after that. One of the 3 pans out, the other two flop… Sure looks nice though. We get size, sometime in the future..
Also I see where they don’t know Biyombo’s age. Could be anywhere from 18-26. Jazz need quality players now not some Euro’s to stay there for a couple of years. We already have two of those.
Bismack is going to suck. He doesn’t know how to play basketball. NBA draft history is littered with guys that have one awesome video and never did anything once drafted. We aren’t talking about Ben Wallace, who had a documented career in college and was mentored by Charles Oakley. Nobody really knows who this guy is.
Jimmer has a much better chance to produce in the NBA, but isn’t going to be able to jack up 20 attempts a game. The comparisons to Reddick are probably closer than anything else I’ve seen.
My major beef on him is his total lack of effort on the defensive end. If he put in the work there it wouldn’t be so bad. His intangibles are great.
Sorry to be playing traffic cop to your bandwagon Arnell, but these guys have a really, really low chance of being core players.
Patrick, other than Enes Kanter who is likely a three pick if healthy/out of reach, Donatas Motiejunas is probably our best bet in this draft but he’s a few years away from being a true center with the strength/bulk necessary to defend in the paint. Sadly there are rumors about Enes Kanter/bad knees that have not been resolved to anyone’s satisfaction; therefore, he may be available at #6. We can’t afford to risk an early lottery pick on a 19 year old with physical problems. The last thing we want is another Greg Oden in Utah. So where do we go to find a true center in this draft?
Keith Benson is an interesting but is not projected as a lottery caliber player… we have two lottery picks in this draft – so the value just isn’t there. For this reason, I have been intrigued by Bismack Biyombo who is not a true center but can defend in the paint now/Donatas Motiejunas who has the height, skill level/potential to improve significantly/play Big. Jan Vesely is a skinny AK with limited skills who has contract issues, so why even go there when Donatas Motiejunas is far superior/ available this year.
Vesely, Valanciunas/Tomic all have expensive buyouts that will prevent them from coming to the NBA for a couple of years unless Greg Miller elects to take a chance on Tomic this year. We need BIG help now, not in 2/3 years. Of the 3 I mentioned above, I’d take my chances with Tomic who has an NBA ready offensive game but must improve his strength/add bulk to effectively defend in the paint. Even if the Jazz do elect to bring him over/he decides to come, we still have 2 lottery picks in this draft. Enter Brandon Knight, Bismack Biyombo/Donatas Motiejunas.
Side Note: As you know, I have advocated pursuing Memphis free agent Center Marc Gasol for some time now… if doable, he would help immeasurably.
In the end, we need a young, quality PG (Brandon Knight)to groom/ease the burden for Earl Watson, if Devin Harris is injured/BIGS… not a wing. Patrick, we have a fundamental disagreement in the direction the Jazz need to go… that’s okay. Just my take.
The Grizz have already said that Marc will not be let go. They will trade Rudy Gay first. I believe Brandon Knight wil be taken before the sixth spot. (Toronto) Being uncertain about AK, CJ leaves a void.
Bill, eh. There are several different ways it could go. Knight, he is ok. I dont mind a backup Center either. Just hard to find a good one, just like its hard to find a good available SG. One who fits our needs.
Free agency is pretty slim as well. With so many Europeans who have contracts with high buy outs, or in Biyombo’s case want to make a name for themselves prior to playing in the NBA. A lack of free agents what do you do? I believe you build around what you have.
I guess trades are possible too, but we dont have many under contract. Most we do, we want to keep, so that may not be the best way either. I posted on the “you can never have enough big’s” post, some things that add to my memphis arguements.. But I will not rehash that here. Just know that it doesnt matter how many bigs you add, if you cannot defend your perimeter, you wont win playoffs..
Just looked at a Bio on Motiejunas. Great on offense, horrible on defense. Jazz already have two Euro’s stashed away,let the other teams take them. Kanter has Oden/Roy written all over him.
Patrick, I agree with much of what you have said but differ of course on the wing issue. I do believe that Biyombo was asked if he was worried about a possible NBA lockout when he stated that he could continue playing in Europe/wanted to make a name for himself. KOC must clarify Bismack Biyombo’s intentions here/make sure that he is available for next year. If so, we first move in his direction at #12, then Motiejunas. In some drafts, Motiejunas is projected in the 4-5 range, so likely, we are realistically looking at Biyombo as a possible go with our second pick in the first round.
As we see so clearly, this is a very difficult draft to gauge/plan for. There are legitimate concerns/obvious pitfalls at every turn. In the end, we will have to take some risks but I do believe Brandon Knight is the best option at #6. L.K., I hope you are wrong about Knight being gone at #4/#5 but it is entirely possible in this nightmarish, weak draft. Valanciunas/Motiejunas could actually place Brandon Knight in our hands at #6… lets hope so.
I’m ready to take a calculated risk with the 12 pick/ select either Bismack Biyombo/Donatas Motiejunas if available. Both Biyombo/Motiejunas are young players who have significant upsides but could also disappoint. It is possible that neither will be available at #12, particularly Montiejunas… that’s scary. If this thing completely falls apart, Marcus Morris, Burks/Hamilton will have to be considered at #12.
As I have noted before, if we can land Brandon Knight at #6/trade our 12 pick in this draft for a 5-8 lottery slot in the 2012 draft… we should seriously consider this option unless we can grab Biyombo with this pick. I’m okay with Brandon Knight/Bismack Biyombo in this draft.
If this scenario plays out, the Jazz will have to seriously consider a free agent Big/also decide whether Ante Tomic is worth the investment now rather than later. If not moved in a reposition move, the Jazz must also exercise the team option on C.J. Miles. Just my take.
Bill, the scary thing about trading 12 for a 5-8 next yr draft is this, do you have a crystal ball that tells you who will be 1-14 next season in the draft? It usually takes a whole season to figure that one out. In this crazy world of the NBA, there are no gaurantees.. Time is a ticking, much of this will be behind us soon, leaving us scratching our heads as to when next season will start or if there will be one. I will say I like the 3 others that you would consider, though I might take Hamilton 1st. Think he is a sleeper, with a lot of up side, and he can play either SF/SG positions.
I also think there is something in the wind going on with CJ. Miller didn’t sound too positive on KSL about him. Let’s hope it is to move up in the draft. I believe the option on CJ will be picked up then moved. Before the new CBA I think there will be a lot of player movement.
Patrick, it’s all a crap shoot at this point in time but next year’s draft will be superior talent wise to this one. I agree, player availability/order in the 2012 NBA Draft will be determined by performance during the 2011-12 college season. If we can reposition into a 5-8 slot in 2012, we could find ourselves with 2 early first round picks in a superior draft. The decision to trade would have to be based on a willing participant/less than desirable player options at #12. As I noted in my previous post… if we can land Bismack Biyombo with our second pick or there abouts – let’s do it. The acqusition of Brandon Knight/Bismack Biyombo in the 2011 NBA Draft would have to be considered a significant success.
The three players I noted in my previous post are options/based on need at the time, we move accordingly. I don’t see a big difference between these players other than positional preferences with the exception of Hamilton who is more multidimensional. Pre-draft planning for most teams, including the Jazz, is too fluid to provide any absolutes so early in the process. Our choice at #12/absense of such, will likely be a draft day decision.
L.K., like you, I have felt for some time that the Jazz will exercise the team option on C.J. Miles with the primary purpose of using him as an asset in a draft reposition deal/trade. If for some reason we are unable to complete the kind of transaction that is beneficial to the organization, he will be with team next season. Just my take.
Hoopsworld did a article today on the top power forwards in the draft. They talked about six or seven of them and six were all undersized for the position. The other was Morris at 6-10 but was behind in his skill. So I dont want to hear again how Sap is to small. Remember it is not the size of the dog in the fight but the size of fight in the dog..
Hear me out on this guys. Let’s say we take Vesely/Kanter and Bismack Biyombo, who stay in Europe for another year.
This of course, leaves us with the same team we had this year, possibly minus AK, CJ, Elson, Fes, Price. This puts us probably right back in the lottery. Which may not be a bad thing if it’s a shortened season. Then we have Golden State’s pick and our own pick (as long as its low enough to not get taken by Minnesota). We would then become the All-Euro team because Vesely and Bismack would come over as well as our two draft picks from a substantially stronger draft, and then Tomic probably the year after that. Haha. I would prefer to just get a top 2 pick though.
Bill, When I was talking about your discussion on trading for draft picks next season, I was not talking about college teams. Who in the NBA will be in the Lottery next season? There is no way to know. So how do you trade for a 6 – 10 pick? You would do better off taking a gamble on one of the make or break players than guessing who would be a 6 – 10 lottery team next season.
KC, To be in the same spot as we were in last season, most of our players would have ot get hurt and or flop or both.. If all are healthy, we will do better than last season easily.
I have already talked about Biyombo, to me he is a Fredette. Either he is going to bust big time, or he will do fine. I lean toward the bust but who knows..
Thank you guys for sharing your thoughts here.
I am seeing more and more posting leaning/favoring for Jazz to pick KNIGHT(#6) & BIYOMBO/MOTIEJUNAS – seems logical IF they are available when our pick comes up. I have no qualms about it.
But, have you seen the recent postings at http://www.draftexpress.com where BIYOMBO is projected to go #6 (Jazz) – that says a lot about this kid’s value by the closest prognosticators (Scouts/GM’s). So, my original premise is getting clearer. Doesn’t it?
Then, MOTIEJUNAS is also projected at #4 by http://www.hoopshype.com/draft.htm to the Wizards
I don’t know if you are all aware that out of these four(4) well-talked-about Euros (Biyombo, Motiejunas, Valanciunas, Vesely) – that, only BIYOMBO is the only one that can feasibly for an NBA Team in the coming season due to his cheaper buy-out price (1-Million Euro). The rest of the guys have either have a ridiculous buy-out price tag and/or have 2-3 years still left in their contracts. My premise was that KNIGHT be NO LONGER available at our 6th Pick and therefore it makes sense to get BIYOMBO in.
Now, unable to get a Point Guard in our 6th Pick, I suggested that we get it on our 12th Pick. And, this is where we will get JIMMER FREDETTE. (recently projected by Draft Express at #18 ; and, #11 by Hoops Hype for the Golden State). Again, my point is – IF his health (Asthma problem) will remain at bay(under control), and he fully buys the Jazz premise for him to Pass-First Point Guard, then – I see him to (high) potentially develop near the Stockton/Nash level of a player due to many obvious indicators that we’re all already are aware of.
BUT, if he is taken early – then, I say we take ALEC BURKS, a Combo PG/SG from Colorado who stands at 6′6″, 220lbs, Averages 20ppg, 6rpg, 3apg, 1.1 assist.
What is your take?
Biyombo has a 3 yr contract. He told his agent that he wants to make a name for himself over in Spain. So, unless you have insider info that your not sharing, doesnt matter if his buyout is small. He wont be over until you hear his name chanted in spain, or unless Utah makes an unbelievable offer to him. Then if we did take him, he is a bench warmer. I see foul trouble in a very short amount of time..
Fredette, will be a wash for our team. We dont have the defense to support him. If he scores 30 a night, the other team will score at least that due to lack of defense. I doubt his NBA game translates to 30 a night..
Alec Burks is a fair prospect, but he is a shooting guard who cannot shoot.. He does not help us on the perimeter except defensively. Its hard even for a slasher to score in the paint if its already crowded. Would prefer to see Hamilton first. Combo SG/SF.
I wish this draft were not so weak. Instead of looking at players with a rounded game we are left at looking for defenders, or slashers, or shooters most of which have no other game. We need players who are more well rounded. Terrence Jones, does not have one part of his game that stands out above the rest, but he does a bit of everything. Thats what you want from a back up. Starters can lack at something. That was why Boozer made it. Couldnt play defense but played great offense. Fredette and Biyombo are not starters.
So you want to look for guys who have an all around game, if your looking at back ups. Brandon Knight (possible starter), Terrence Jones, Jordan Hamilton, Burks are closer to an all around game than Fredette or Biyombo. Kawhi Leonard may even be a better selection. Biyombo would be toward the second pick for us, but again then you look at his contract and words and wonder if he is worth that gamble.
Thats why I dont list the Europeans. They probably wont be over for a few yrs. I dont care how good you are, we need players now, not two yrs down the road. In yrs past, we had a full roster and had that luxury. We dont this season. We need players even if we resign most of our guys.
I didnt mention Irving, Williams, or Kanter simply because the balls have not dropped and they are beyond our reach at this time.. If Kanter drops, I say snag him, but doubt it happens. Of course Williams, then Irving are the first two picks if available.
Arnell, thanks for explaining things. At least I understand your thought process now. When you put it that way, it almost makes sense. The problem is your using lottery picks for bench players that wont make much of an impact. Knight is superior over Fredette, becuase he has the potential to maybe one day start over Harris. Fredett will only do that if Harris is out due to injury, and he probably still wont start over Watson. Biyombo again, would be a bench player. If he is foul prone in the NBA like I think he may be, then he is no use since he has no other skills. He would be behind 4 other players.
If you pick up say Jones, Burks, Hamilton, or Leonard they will probably play some this next season and in the seasons to come. I guess thats why I have trouble with how many guys are picking guys. I am picking guys who have a chance to play and contribute. Others are picking solid guys, who dont have much of a chance to contribute in the future because there are so many good guys ahead of them.
If you pick a guy who sits on the bench, even if he is better than the guy you passed on, its a waste. The guy wastes away, eventually gets traded, and plays well elsewhere. If you pick a guy who is solid, but maybe a second pick but can play and help us while eventually getting better and playing solid backup minutes, he is worth much more than the more solid player who sits on the bench. Just my take.
Irving and Williams are possible starters.. Most everyone else for us are bakc up players. Some can play on our team more than others. We have AL, Millsap, and Favors who will play solid minutes almost to the exclusion to anyone else behind them in the post. When you look at the SG and SF positions we dont have that. Not even if you put Millsap at the 3 part of the time. So if you get a backup there, he probably gets plenty of playing time.
Some of the guys we have mentioned can possibly outplay CJ Miles (Jones, Hamilton, Burks, Leonard). So why get a Biyombo or Fredette who would sit on the bench hehind 2 other players and hardly get any play time, instead of a guy who would probably get lots of playing time at the SG and SF positions. Doesnt make sense to me..
The only reason I mention Kanter, is because he is two steps above Biyombo and could earn some solid minutes.. Biyombo will come after Al, Favors, Millsap, Okur for quite some time if not for a whole career. Kanter is the only one who may challenge these guys for minutes because of his size and he has a complete game out to the Perimeter. We mention Knight for the same reason, he is two steps above Fredette, with much room to improve. Fredette could maybe be backup after Watson retires, but he has little chance of leading any team in the NBA. He may even develop all around skills, but not at the starting role for a team..
These mock drafts are only fun and games anyway. Where Biyombo was # 6 on one another he is in the late twenties, Thirties, and not even on some of them. Compare the two biggest ones nbadraft.net and draft express. After the first two they are not even close to matching up. For sure the Jazz brass are doing their homework and I very much doubt they are looking at these blogs.
Patrick, maybe I wasn’t clear enough or possibly you have misunderstood what I was trying to say? I attempted to simply state that the order of projected college players in the 2012 NBA draft would be determined by performance on the basketball court in the 2011-2012 season so worth/ value are yet to be determined for next year’s draft crop, although, we are aware of a number of quality players who passed this year but will likely be available in 2012.
My comment regarding the Jazz repositioning into the 2012 NBA Draft is a calculated risk that would play itself out during the 2011-1012 season but past performance/ projected future improvement would have to be considered in any such move. Obviously, we wouldn’t want to trade our 12th pick in the 2011 draft to the Dallas Mavericks for their 2012 first round pick unless it’s an import that we could likely project to be in the 5-8 lottery range. As you know, there are no absolutes here. Our feeble attempts at predicting a Jazz basketball future make life interesting/at the same time very challenging. Sometimes, a little luck goes a long way.
It’s becoming quite clear that you are not sold on European basketball players. I will concede that these potential draft picks must be thoroughly researched/ intent to appear established ahead of time. Of the European players in this draft, I do believe that Bismack Biyombo/Donatas Motiejunas are available next year, unlike Vesely/Valanciunas… KOC needs to determine if this is the case beyond any shadow of any doubt. Biyombo has a simple 1 million Euros buyout (cheap) while Motiejunas is in the last year of his contract, so that means cheaper.
Like I alluded to earlier, I do believe that you are making more of an issue out of Biyomba’s response to a simple lockout question that he would be able to play in Europe if a lockout does occur/and would like to make a name for himself in the process. I don’t see this as an acknowledgement on his part that he would prefer to play overseas/shun the NBA. Remember, we don’t draft anyone who is a no show.
Until we know different, Bismack Biyombo is 18 years old… how many 18 year olds start in the NBA? His upside is off the charts… is he a sure bet – no, there are very few sure bets in professional sports but he is a calculated risk who could pay off big time for the Utah Jazz sometime in the future. In the midst of a major Utah Jazz rebuilding effort, it’s the perfect time to take a chance on a young player like Bismack Biyombo. Would I have preferred Perry Jones… absoultely, but he isn’t available.
For some reason you continue to ignore the issue of bad knees with Enes Kanter. Even is he drops, we don’t touch him without a competent medical evaluation. Just my take.
L.K. Anderson, you mean our interaction here is an effort in frustration that is likely considered basic fodder by the powers that be? Maybe we don’t understand the bigger picture – ya think? Quite possibly, but, if I was in KOC’s shoes… I’d be looking. As evidenced by obvious 2011 NBA Draft Chaos, the so-called, acknowledged experts are struggling mightily trying to make any sense out of this mess, evaluate talent/present a believable analysis that exhibits some sort of coherent consensus. Hm-mm, very interesting.
Enter, ignorant, make believe GM amateurs like ourselves who could prove to be silent assets. You never know. Just my take.
We could do better than some of the experts. Some drafts still have Barnes on them. And these are the experts. One thing for sure we have had enough thoughts and choices that one of us is right. We will know in about seven weeks.
Arnell, Hamilton would be my choice, rather than Burks if your scenario plays out/no competent BIG was on the board. It’s a gamble either way. If Irving, Knight/ Walker are not available, I abandon the PG option for this year. We, out of necessity, would have to sign a free agent backup to Devin Harris/Earl Watson. I don’t see Jimmer Fredette as a viable lottery pick option for the Utah Jazz. If we had a mid second round pick/Jimmer was still on the board… I might venture. He’s too much of a risk… no defense, no defense, suspect PG skills/ therefore, one dimensional. Just my take.
Guys, it’s my T-5th Birthday today and I am still sticking up on my original Pick Choice (hope you don’t mind) of BIYOMBO(6th) – which addresses DEFENSE & REBOUNDING & FREDETTE(12th) – which also addresses PERIMETER SHOOTING & HIGH IQ PLAYMAKING. Okay, I will concede for Jimmer to play the 3rd PG (Harris, Watson, Fredette) for another year or two when he has fully grasped the Jazz system and for him to learn/accept to become a Pass-First PG. These are very viable/achievable picks (see recent ESPN Posting). Of course, if BIYOMBO is gone, I will take BRANDON KNIGHT(6th) and BIYOMBO/MOTIEJUNAS(12th). Agree?
If so, to help solve our Wing/Perimeter Shooting – I will pick up JOE ALEXANDER(SF) – which has been a Double-Double guy with Texas Legends (NBDL), a #8 Pick by the Bucks in 2008. Averages 18ppg, 10rpg, 80+% FT, has 38″ Vertical. Stands at 6′8″, 230lbs and has just been waiting for the next opportunity to get back in the NBA. Good Guy and only 24yrs old! See the link: http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Joe-Alexander-1185/
Resigning CJ MILES is not a bad idea either. He can come off the bench for HAYWARD(SG) and ALEXANDER(SF). Again, he has to improve and consistently keep his conditioning all year through – and, bring his game INSIDE more and be selective (less) 3-pointing Jackpotting (unless he is flaming hot).
Of course, as I earlier recommended, keep FESENKO as the next off the bence for JEFFERSON(Center). If so, he needs to spend a week or so to get Peronalized Training & Coaching both from Malone & Olajuwon before the Training Camp. Bet you that Fess can be a dominant Center when he decides to put his Head into the game.
Good Luck to all of our prognostication and compare notes after the draft ! Have a Blessed Day yo’all . . .
I can see you have been doing thinking Arnell. I wonder, if we have no perimeter shooting, and you put Biyombo on the floor, who is going to make points for us? We may get some defense in the paint, but who will defend the perimeter? Do you think your plan will help us?
Joe Alaxander, you want this guy starting at the SF? http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/3411/joe-alexander
Fesenko will get better with one week of help?
Alexander is one of the biggest busts om the history of the NBA.(Almond Joy)..Fess os a never will be. Boy am I glad KOC is in charge..
Arnell you have been smoking too much grass. From all that you are saying is we should fill our team with second rate players. And if that alexander kid had only been in the league for 2 years, drafted #8 overall and barley played there is something wrong with him. We are much better off drafting a couple of shooters and getting a big defensive guy from the 4 league our need is outside shooting and outside defense al did pretty good with his inside defense and favors does great with inside defense.WE NEED WRONG PLAYERS, not biyombo!
Sorry some misspelling d league not 4 league.WE NEED WING PLAYERS. Not wrong
A lot of wrong players have been suggested.