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Pre Season opener
Posted by: Patrick on October 8th, 2012
The author's views are entirely his or her own and may not reflect the views of the Utah Jazz.Not entirely what I want to see from my team, but it was not all bad.
Lows – where to start?
Al =20 minutes 3 rebs, 2 points, 1 or 8 shooting.
Haward = 17 minutes 2 of 10 shooting.
Mo Wiliams = 3 of 9 shooting 4 turnovers when it counted.
Favors = 22 minutes 2 rebs, 0 blocks.
Now the upside, which though the above looks bad, the upside looks good.
Highs -
Held them to 83 total points while they shot 46% from the field and 20% from the perimeter.
Paul Millsap – same Sap 4 of 7 shooting 6 reb and 13 points in 20 mins. 1 or 1 from the perimeter.
Mo Williams – 6 assists 11 points in 22 minutes. 2 of 2 from the perimeter.
Ma Williams – 4 of 6 shooting, 3 rebs, 13 points in 22 mins.
Hayward – 6 rebs in 17 mins.
***Kanter – 5 of 12 shooting, 11 rebs, 12 points, 2 blocks in 24 min
Carroll – 4 of 6, 3 reb, 9 points in 23 mins.
Tinsley – 3 rebs, 6 assists.
There were a lot of positives, although many will gripe about how several of our players did not play well. So what…. They did a good job. Minutes were evenly distributed between 11 guys on our squad, while they had 3 starters over 28 points and Lee at 36 mins. Guess for them pre season means something. I pointed that out for those of you who were worried about us losing a mean nothing game.
My disapointment came when Favors didnt come out and play like he should have been starting. Maybe he isnt the player we all thought he could be. I hope he doesnt cruz like boozer did. I am not worried about Al or Hayward, since everyone has a poor night. I just hope Al doesnt wait until Christmas to come out and play as we know he can.
Well tear it up, but I think I nailed it down good. Its nice to see the Williams both play so well together. i hope Kanter wasnt just a fluke, and I hope Favors was just having an off night like Hayward was seeming to have. Its easy to get excited to see how things improve in the future with time to gel.
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I dont see any changes of last season… playoffs exactly, but I hope this will be better… no doubt. As I always said TRADE JEFFERSON!!!!!
“Favors didnt come out and play like he should have been starting. Maybe he isnt the player we all thought he could be.”
Are you serious? This is a preseason game. These guys haven’t played in a game for 3-4 months. Favors is fine. Remember he’s that dude that posted 12 10 in 29 minutes against the Spurs. No one gives their 100% due to risk of injuries.
Since we have so many guys in our frontcourt, i don’t see any of our bigs having an All Star Stats season, but who cares, basketball is a collective game and nobody is bigger than the team……… Al and Derrick grabbed 3 and 2, not a problem, we took 43 and outrebounded the Warrior (not very difficult i know, but…..)……
Don’t excpect our bigs will all have good night every night, and it’s the beauty of the thing, multiple weapon, some nights, Paul and Enes will be under the spotlight, other nights it will be Al and Derrick, or Marvin who can be strong inside sometimes, and if we can find this chemistry in our frontcourt, with players agreeing to share the honors, we will be very difficult to defend…..
I agree French Dude, collective basketball wins. Weve got some good chemistry to do that. 1 for 8… i dont really care as much as 0-0 FT attempts by both Favors and Jefferson. Both played 20 min. wtf??
I realize that its stupid to put so much emphasis on the first pre season game. Its just hard not to jump on something that ive felt was a coaching error and thought would be a priority to fix. priority #1 stop fouling so much. priority #2 draw fouls in the post. priority #3 spread the floor wih use of outside shooting threat.
First game of the pre-season. It’s going to take a little time to get running on all cylinders. Marvin and Mo both played solid. Hayward, Jefferson, and Favors laid eggs. I’m not concerned.
On the bright side, Kanter is developing a lot faster than I thought possible. He is a beast. I love Favors, but right now, I want to see more Kanter.
Biggest dissapointments of the game seemed to be Hayward and Foye.
It’s going to get a little better each game.
I hate to say it, but i’m starting to wonder if nights like these really are “off nights” for Hayward. Maybe his good nights are the flukes. I want to like Hayward, but we finally got rid of an inconsistent CJ Miles and I DO NOT want another one.
@Kevin-I understand what you are saying to some degree. But comparing Hayward to CJ is ridiculous to me. Hayward is better in all aspects of the game in my opinion. His talent was recognized enough to get him on the Select team this summer. His defense is superior to CJ and overall is just a better player overall. Yeah he had a rough shooting night, but so did Al, and Foye, and a lot of the guys. It’s the first preseason game, let’s not overreact from it.
I’m not overreacting from last nights game. Clearly you do not understand what I am saying. Did you miss the playoffs last year? Am I overreacting because of that? I love Hayward, and he is my favorite on the team. But he doesn’t just have the occassional rough shooting night. He comes and goes just like CJ used to. Don’t forget, CJ did score over 40 in a game once. So it’s not like Hayward is VASTLY superior in every way. He still has a lot to prove and consistency seems to be an issue already.
I didn’t say he was the same as CJ, I said I do not want another inconsistent player like we had in CJ.
He did have a crappy playoff outing. Was his first one though. I was at the game CJ scored 40. I know how inconsistant he was and I know how Hayward is. I just think he brings a lot more to the table then CJ, not just shooting. I agree though, last time we had a consistant scoring shooting guard was Hornacek. But for the record, CJ has a career fg% of .42 and 3pt% of .33. Gordon is .46, and .38 so far. Not trying to tick you off or anything, but I was just saying I think we’ve got a much better talent than CJ with Gordon. I agree I would love for him to shoot at a high level consistantly though.
Favors also was on the floor with Kanter who was grabbing every rebound. You see this in some people when one is a very dominate rebounder. Also Favors shot over 50% so no he did not come out and drop 20-10 but he only played 20 mins. Wether you say starting does not matter it does.
Humid Brown has talked on multiple occasions on how it takes a special player to be a 6th man. They really have to buy in that is why it is hard to find a high quality one cause not everyone can or wants to do it.
Locke can say all he wants Favors is ok with coming off the bench but what is he supposed to say? No this is ridiculous? I should be starting? He is not going to say that when the reg season has not even started. He is not the type to cause drama like that.
Hey two years ago when we nosedived (nosedove?) after Christmas and Sloan quit and we traded D-Will we went 8-0 in the preseason! Preseason is NOT a good indicator of the season.
Also, a thought on consistency. CJ was terrible because he would shoot 10% one night and 60% another night, rather than a consistent 42%. You had no idea what you were going to get, and with CJ taking the 3rd most attempts per minute, if he shot his 10%, guess what? You lose. If he shot 60%, you win. It’s much easier on a coach and a team as far as schemes, play-running, substitutions, etc. to have a player like Millsap or Jefferson, whose variance is much lower. Millsap is VERY consistent, shooting between 45%-55% almost every game. CJ was just all over the map, making it that much harder to gameplan. Gordo is head and shoulders above CJ on defense, moves without the ball better, can drive the ball AND look for the pass (CJ rarely passed off the dribble), and is ALREADY a better shooter than CJ. To me its sad if someone is seriously comparing him to CJ, and CJ has what, 18 years in the league since he was drafted at 13 to G-Hay’s two years?
This was supposed to be observations. But lets comment on a few things.
CJ was consistant in one thing, his stats when down every year. Check it out.
Favors, doesnt have to say squat. He just comes out and plays so well that he has to be put into a starting position or the coach’s look stupid. Oh, thats right, he hasnt done that yet. Actually its been quite the opposite. He has shown why he is not in the starting lineup yet. Hopefully it was a fluke game and he earns that starting position. My comment of him ending up like Boozer is a real concern. Boozer could have been so much more had he played as Millsap plays, and found a way to stay healthy. Favors will get numbers, but I have yet to see him play hungry. Just my observation.
@Patrick Boozer was and is a better player then your boy Al.
Either my first post was grossly misunderstood, or people did not take the time to read it. I assume that it’s my fault and was misunderstood. Let me reemphasize and try to clarify. I did not say that Gordon Hayward has the same talent as CJ. CLEARLY he is better than CJ and has a much higher potential ceiling. I Never compared the two in any aspect other than their level of consistency. Again, Hayward is my favorite player on the Jazz. CJ was more wildly inconsistent from one day to another, but my expectations of him were also much lower even from Day 1. My expectations of Hayward are MUCH higher, so I will tend to hold him to a higher standard and be slightly over critical at times when I feel like he should be putting up better numbers.
@KC I am NOT saying CJ and Hayward are comparable in talent level. I am saying both can be inconsistent. Again, I know CJ was more inconsistent but Hayward is a much better player and he HAS to be consistently good for us to have a chance. CJ was more of a project than Hayward is. Hayward is supposed to be a guarantee. I am not expecting him to block tons of shots, we drafted him because of his solid shot. We MUST get that solid shot consistently.
@Dallan
Patrick didn’t compare Boozer to Al. He compared him to Favors. Doesn’t your brain function without bringing up Al? Stop putting words in people’s mouths and then pretending that you are smarter because of it.
@Kevin-hahaha sorry I started a storm. But I hear what you are saying.
You’re good. It was my fault for poor wording. I didn’t mean it the way it was portrayed. Just that inconsistent players can be frustrating, and Miles leaving was a huge relief.
I don’t like having a player on the team that everyone labels as inconsistent. I know Hayward deserves better than that, but that is what people will label him because he is hot and cold.
@Kevin oh really? I did not notice that!! My point was and Is if you want to say Favors = Boozer then Boozer > Al = Favors > Al
Kevin to Dallan: “Doesn’t your brain function without bringing up Al?”
LOL classic!
Funny thing last night, Barcelona blowing Dallas with a guy named Ante Tomic, 12pts 10 rbds 2 bks, and surprise 4 on 4 on FT (yes he’s a big big guy and he can shoot FT)……..
Dallan, it is getting so freaking old that on this site, you will not stop bringing up the same stupid point. Everyone already has heard you out. Everyone already knows what your point is! You can move on now and start experiencing new and exciting thoughts! There’s a whole world out there full of new things to consider. Give it a go. You wont be disappointed.
I was not the one that brought him up good try though. Maybe you should not be so concerned with what I write. You seem to love to just write about me. So why don’t you stop coming in this site and thinking about me and how you can write about me and what I have said. Did I say anything about Al sucking? No I said Boozer is better then Al so if Patrick wants to compare Favors to Boozer I would take that level of player instead of Al. Do not get all butt hurt because someone has an opinion and it does not match up with yours.
I am entitled to my opinion and you are entitled to yours the funny thing is 95% of your comments have nothing to do with the Jazz and are all about attacking me. Get over it!
Saying Boozer is better than Al, is saying that Al sucks. Cause Boozer is a freaking joke. But that’s beside the point. I write a lot about you specifically, because you are jacking this site up. I like to come here and read other people’s opinions. But it gets old when someone who posts as often as you do, ALWAYS has to discuss Big Al and nothing else.
You are entitled to your opinion. No one said you weren’t.
As far as the preseason opener goes though (watch and learn Dallan-this is how you discuss a variety of things) There were a lot of disappointments other than Al, Favors, or Hayward. Remembering that this is simply the FIRST preseason game, I hope to see Favors being more of a force with his scoring, and Hayward with his confidence. Last season, Hayward was an amazing cutter, but as soon as he had a good look at the hoop, he had a tendency to dish the ball off to someone else. To me, that is a question of his confidence level. If he can learn to just charge that rim and either score or draw fouls, he will be amazing.
One thing that I am VERY interested in seeing, is Mo Williams’ ability to balance his scoring with his playmaking. I am excited to have him back and hope to see him being able to set up his teammates. That oop from Mo to Marvin was sick.
@Kevin These are career numbers Per 36
Boozer is a 53% shooter, 14 FGA, collects 11 reb, 3 assists, 1.1 steal, .5 block, TS% 57, TRB% 18.1, Highest win share in a year 10.2
Al is a 50% shooter, 16 FGA collects 10 reb, 1 assist, .8 steal, 1.6 block, TS% 53, TRB% 17.2, Highest win share in a year 7.8
So what part of this is Boozer not a good player? Was he a pain while he was here? Yes I am not disputing that, but to say that Boozer is not a good basketball player is utterly ridiculous to say. He is a very good basketball player.
If you look at my first comment on this thread I said nothing about Al. Someone else brought him up. So once again my point was if you are going to compare Boozer to Favors I would take that. That was my point.
hahaha, good points Dallan!!
Remember when every one was ready to ship Kanter cuz he had a bad 1st Summer League game?!! Now I suppose we should trade those scrubs Hayward and Favors cuz they shot so bad….oh wait Favors shot over 50%, unlike…….
We need to remember that Favors played all his minutes at the PF with Kanter always at the C. If you take possessions per game, divided by opponents FG%,
divided by what percentage Favors played,
What remains are the only available rebounds, and Kanter dominated there with 11 rebounds in 25 minutes, so really this shows how GREAT Kanter is at rebound. So really Favors was out rebounded by Kanter NOT by GSW.
If Ty was smart, he start Favors with Millsap (Favors best comes when playing with Millsap) that way Jazz dominant the glass by playing Favors and Kanter not always together. Jazz play their best 2 rebounders (per minutes played) always at the same time it kinda negates each other.
Boozer was an awesome pick and roll finisher. He was just ok in the post. He sucked against taller guys like Gasol. He had a decent elbow jumper. Ultimately, we got as far as we could with the Boozer/D-Will combo (55 wins, 2nd round and out or so), and moved on with the next Utah Jazz iteration.
Burks had a bad first summer league game too, to the point of people panicking. Then he came out and killed it in all the games after that.
Its just preseason!
@Kevin – no I agree, Hayward can be inconsistent in his shot. But I will say that I’ve seen a huge improvement and more consistency as the year gets to the end, at least both of his first two years. He DID have a pretty crappy Spurs series, but it was the Spurs and Hayward’s first playoff series. Maybe it will be a good thing to suffer a sweeping defeat early in his career, it puts the work you have to do in perspective, rather than erroneously thinking you’ve already arrived.