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Posted by: Austin on January 29th, 2013
The author's views are entirely his or her own and may not reflect the views of the Utah Jazz.How do we as fans get what we want? If the “big” market teams were being coached like this and fans voiced their opinions changes would be made. We all say ours here and I don’t think the front office reads these or cares what jazz nation has to say about OUR team. So my question I guess…… is how do we get Corbin gone kanter favors more time on the court and a real pg? How do we let management know we are not happy? Clearly they don’t know
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Boycott a game. Have them lose a few million dollars from an empty arena.
There’s not really a realistic way to force the hand of the front office. They’ll be stupid if they want to. And they do. So we’re screwed.
Well if you look at the stands in the ESA at game time you can see that the fans are not happy , look at how empty seats there are . Oh and the cheering section is like non existance most of the game . That should have a big effect , I am sure that they see it too .
We will have to wait and see if anything happens at the trade deadline .
I think Andrew hit it on the head!!! Thats a straight ahead attack. I also think the local media needs to jump over and start writing and producing work that is critical, I REPEAT! Critical. There is a difference between giving a critique and giving commentary. I hate the Lakers, but when the Lakers struggle they jump all over the team and management. I hate Magic Johnson, but he criticized Brown, they others jump on and everyone gave him hell (not to say Brown deserved it, but thats how quick it happened).
In Utah, the Jazz beat the Wizards and Corbin is presented as CotY and Al as ab All Star snub, and Watson as quality ….not true. But until people call a spade a spade, we are gonna get the same trash.
@omar good idea but what national media cares about the utah jazz I mean on espn it was all about hardens dunk not us sucking the coaching the vets nothing we are forgotten we need to make noise and put a team out there led by a great coach and bring us a championship
I think a lot of you are just very vocal about your distaste. A lot of fans I know aren’t upset with the front office or the way Corbin is handling things. They realize that these people have spent a lot more time playing understanding the game that when things don’t go the way they want them to they realize there may be reasons that the can’t be seen by watching the game. As a whole I think Corbin is doing a great job managing a roster filled with soon to be free agents. And as for your Favors and Kanter playing time, Al and Millsap are still better players then both of them. They make less mistakes and genuinely play very hard. Quit watching the game with a bias and you’ll realize Al has improved passing and works very hard on the defensive end. You’ll also notice that while Favor and Kanter, bursting with potential, are still not as ready as Al and Millsap are. Do they deserve more time? Yes. Definitely. But Millsap and Jefferson also deserve playing time so no one can be completely happy. As for the fans of big markets getting what they want. BS. No front office can possibly adhere to the demands of their fan base because we have a league of 30 teams all competing for talent. If we really played the young guys we wouldn’t win games and then you would all be upset about that. Trust our front office. They do actually know what they are doing.
@Austin, ain’t that the truth!! Even when Jazz win they show more highlights of the losing team than the Jazz?! Hahaha.
It has to be grass-root effort: the local media needs to step up and question KOC and Corbin. I don’t live in SLC, so I really can’t comment on how close a community it is, but someone can be tactful and find a way not to be offensive and still critique the Jazz FO and Corbin. It was that myth that Corbin “benched” Bell, Howard, CJ, Watson in order to make the playoffs that got Corbin his extension. People perpetuate a lie and eventually people take it as truth.
Jazz have lost 6 straight games against West teams with winning records?! The Jazz really have not progressed, its just that the Mavs and Lakers have taken a step back so it looks like the Jazz have gotten better. This year expect the Lakers to make a push. And next year, Rockets, GSW, Portland will become better, and the Mavs and Lakers will reload. So Jazz might fall to 9th this year and next year if they keep the same ole Corbin, Al, and vet sorriness, Jazz might fall to like 12 or 13.
John Denver….did you see the first quarter of last game?! Even Jazz commentaries where saying how Al gets beat again, and they ripped Al for turning his back and not following the ball. How many lay ups did Lin and Harden get?! I don’t think we are the ones with the bias. Kanter shoots 55% and Al shoots 47%.. Kanter is a better defender and shoots better than Al, statistically.
Omar I agree with everything you say about very good perspective of this organization in my opinion.
I don’t live in slc either and attend 1 game a year. I went to the cavs game this year to see Irving (cause he played at duke my college team I follow) even though we won the fans not into as the past. There seems to be more buzz in the arena when we see burks favors kanter Hayward in the game why not play them more develop are young core of this team even if it means loosing this year and maybe next. Also get a coach to support this movement not one looking for a 8 seed and a sweep
@John Denver, agree with you completely
Big Al plays against first string bigs. They are better players than the ones Kanter plays against. Kanter actually blows many defensive assignments and is a turnover machine. He will be a better player than Al and again, he does deserve more minutes, but Al is playing against better guys and doesn’t turn the ball over near as much. Kanter is #2 in the western conference among centers in Turnovers per 48 minutes. Al is #30 in the same category. Al is 5th in the west among centers in Assists per 48. Kanter is 23rd. Al is 11th in blockper48WesternConference and Kanter is 33rd. Statistically.
@ John Denver
So that’s why we are 12 and 3 when favors starts? I can’t remember the others but with favors starting we have a winning record, when kanter starts we have a winning record. In the games Jefferson has missed we have a winning record. When burks plays 20+ min we have a winning record. Sorry man but the”Jefferson plays against better players is BS! The things I said above disprove that. And let’s not forget why we didn’t get blown out of every game against the spurs last year in the playoffs. Thank you Derrick favors! Not Jefferson or Milsap. Favors
“Big Al plays against first string bigs”…..and plays badly. He only pats his stats against less than average defensive bigs actually.
Rockets: 36%; 10 points; 28 minutes
Pacers: 55%; 25 points; 37 minutes
Lakers: 36%; 12 points; 29 minutes
Wizards: 29%; 11 points; 32 minutes
Mavs: 36%; 15 points; 32 minutes
Nuggets: 30%; 12 points; 32 minutes
and thats just in the month of January!!
Oh and by the way, Al has the 19th highest paid contract in ALL of NBA (15M)!! Kanter makes 4.3M. Al is 28 years old and has been in the league 8.5 years. Kanter is 20 years and has been in the league 1.5 years!!!!! GEE. Al games played 594. Kanter games played 109. POSTSEASON GAMES PLAYED: Al 11 and Kanter 4!!! Hahaha. And I bet you didn’t watch the game last night, cuz Al (as a center) gave up a ton of layups to Lin (a PG–not a big) and Harden (a SG–not a big)?! And how many alley oops did Al give up to Dwight the other night?! It was lob-city all night on Al.
With all the experience Al has, and with the 19th highest salary, Al ranks 20th in FG% among centers!! In other words, he scores cuz he takes a lot of shots.
And Al, despite all this experience, PER48, Al only rebounds .50 more than Kanter POINT FIVE. AND…. I like how you conflated stats: “Al is 5th in the west among centers in Assists per 48. Kanter is 23rd” ALLOW ME TO CORRECT YOU….in the West Kanter is 15th, statistically. Don’t just use the West to boost Al’s position, and then use the WHOLE NBA to drop Kanter to 23rd. Incorrect. PER48 in steals: despite all that experience, Al only averages .10 more than Kanter. AND AGAIN ALLOW ME TO CORRECT YOU…in the West Kanter is 19th in blocks, please don’t lie and give misinformation. If you look at JUST the West for Al do not look at the whole NBA to look at Kanter’s position. And the difference in blocks between the two PER48 is .70….point seven. So its not that drastic a difference.
That fact that their is even a discussion should tell you how overrated Al is. Kanter is a kid with not minutes to develop, and yet he PER48 his number are at about the level as Al a vet with 8.5 years of experience and a ton of minutes.
“That John Denver is full of !@#$% man, the Rocky Mountains aint Rocky at all” LMAO..
Here it is WHAT DO FANS WANT TO PAY MONEY FOR? Is it a pathetic lack luster game, hoping that the team comes out with energy and plays well? OR
TO DEVELOP THE YOUTH SINCE THEY ARE THE FUTURE?
8 free agents this year that’s very hard to replace and the core of the attention should be made to the youth given that they’re the ones we will need to resign next year.
Think Portland was bad when they jacked up the price on Millsap and Matthews? Just wait till 29 other teams are competing for Favors and Hayward. Good luck FO…
The FO has mishandled bringing in players that contribute to the teams strengths and weaknesses for years. Al should never of been brought in to Salt Lake City, and now we are stuck with his style of offense and lack of Defense. Sorry but a Center that doesn’t play defense historically doesn’t bode very well.
Jazz plan….
A- Ride out the year and hope that Blake Griffin goes down and LA comes begging for Millsap and Jazz get Bledsoe…
B- still hoping for plan A
C- Ride out the year and resign whoever will come back or whoever will come to Utah.
GO JAZZ!!!! Gotta Love It Baby..
John Denver: “He (Kanter) will be a better player than Al”
Conversation ender. Nothing else needs to be said. Jefferson is at his ceiling and will never take us farther than squeaking into the playoffs and then getting embarrassed in the first round. Even the most delusional Jefferson apologists would admit that Kanter and Favors will both eventually be better players than Al.
So what are we waiting for? Why further delay their development? Rick Majerus said (I’m paraphrasing) that no player ever learned anything sitting on the bench. Kanter and Favors need to play, and they need to play a hell of a lot more than they are now. Not to mention their mindset deteriorates more and more each day they sit behind Jefferson, from whom they learn that lazy effort on defense and boxing out is okay if you have a great fourth quarter or overtime once in a while. Do we want Jefferson’s loser mentality sinking into our future core players?
Kanter and Favors will both be better than Jefferson, and it will happen a lot sooner than most of us realize if this organization were to give them a chance now instead of letting them rot away on the bench.
Great stats Omar. It’s downright baffling to me that anyone who calls himself a fan of this team would continue to defend Jefferson’s lazy effort and loser mentality any longer. Kyle Gunther on 1320 today was going off on how Jefferson is spitting in the face of every Jazz fan by refusing to put forth anything resembling consistent effort on the court. And we pay him $15M!
Anyway, to answer Austin’s question… there really is not much we can do. Teams in small markets can oppress their fanbases not unlike the way dictators do. The Jazz bought out 1280 so that guys like Gordon Monson would stop openly criticizing the organization. They essentially control much of the media in the Salt Lake valley so that no one will question them.
In contrast, teams in larger markets like L.A. or New York would get roasted by the media if one of their teams was going through the Jazz’s situation. In those markets, the media puts more pressure on the organization to make a move. Case in point, the Lakers’ bad start led to criticism from the media. They fired their coach. They tried to make a move in hopes to better the team.
The Jazz FO and ownership doesn’t have that pressure. They gain control of the greater part of the local media — which isn’t nearly as influential as a large market media in the first place — so that whatever criticism they receive will be minimal. Then they won’t have to make changes, and squeaking into the playoffs and getting embarrassed in the first round is acceptable in the eyes of the general public… except, of course, to the real fans, like some of us around here, that aren’t satisfied with mediocrity.
So no, there’s not much we can do… UNLESS we could somehow get 20,000 people to boycott a home game. But that doesn’t strike me as remotely realistic. Just keep spreading stuff like #FireCorbin and hopefully more will begin to catch on.
Fans aren’t going to the game because there is nothing to get excited about. Is Al Jefferson seriously our future? It’s starting to look like it sadly. If we had a young exciting team starting with players to get excited about like Favors, Hayward etc.. The place would be packed even with a below .500 record.
I agree with some things John Denver said, but i also agree with some things Taco said. Both Kanter & Favors will be better than jefferson, and that is why they need to be playing major minutes to allow them to develop. They are the ones that are supposed to take us on a title run, so why delay their development? They need to learn how to win NOW, not next year.
But…
Here’s where i agree with John Denver, I do think fans need to temper their expectations of Kanter, yes he has put up good numbers in starts he has recieved… BUT putting up big numbers in limited action or a one game start is much different than doing it for 36 minutes a game over the course of a season. Just as an example, remember Paul Millsap backing up boozer and how active he was? What happened to that guy? He became a starter, and doesn’t play as hard for the 30 mpg he gets now, compared to how hard he played for the 16-20 he used to get.
Trust me i’m the biggest kanter guy, i love him! i watch him and i laugh, because he just plays hard and plays with a simple mind. Once he figures out the nuances of the game he is going to be a dangerous, dangerous player.
Last spring when fans rallied to get Favors more minutes it made the Trib and Favors actually did get a little extra PT.
This game is for entertainment. It wouldnt exist without fans. How bad would it kill Jazz fans to boycot the ESA for a game or 2? We can just watch it on t.v.
Im still ok with waiting out allstar weekend, but if the trade deadline goes by without some changes then fans should boycot a game or 2 to send the message. No reason we have to accept no effort from managment and still pay for tickets to watch a team sliding downhill with great talent on the bench and losing high paid salary players with no return.
It’s impossible to please all the fans. I think the organization understands that al is far from our future plans, trading him is going to be difficult because no team in there right mind is gonna re-sign him for what he is gonna be asking for and they also understand the liability he brings especially on the defensive end. So in my opinion to get a deal done for al it’s gonna have to involve one of our young talented players such as burks, kanter or favors. I also think the jazz want an insurance policy in case favors or kanter never hit their potential. Even though millsap is the most tradeable between al and him, I think the jazz look at him to be that insurance policy. So it classic rock and hard place situation. I think as long as we teeter around .500 ball, were gonna get much of the same crap. Corbin doesn’t have the leadership to make a gutsy move and take al or millsap out of the starting lineup or even give more minutes to kanter or favors. Ty seems to trend to the conservative side he’s not much of an innovator. As far as what we as fans can do. . . We can either sit back and enjoy the entertainment or not watch at all. Not much we can do to control the situation.
If Lin was helping on Al the whole time leaving Tinsley and Watson open on the three point line, why not let Foye run the point? They won’t leave him open. Take a chance..
Let’s start with saying I would like to see the youngsters play more minutes! But to point at the L.A situation, (media and fans criticize Brown and he gets fired) what did that bring them? They brought in D’Antoni and they’re still having a hard time..
I think its kind of ridiculous thay we’ve hitched ourselves to the Al Jefferson wagon as an organization when both Boston AND Minnesota were both smarter than that. Al Jefferson tricks you into thinking ‘what will we do without his shooting?’ just like every other volume shooter. Denver gave up Carmelo. How they doing now? Golden State gave up Monta Ellis. How they doing now? Even David Locke asks what we’ll do without him. How bout be more athletic, move the ball, find open guys and shoot s better percentage, not to mention keep more guys involved and happy with contributing, all while improving defensively. That is, if we had a coavh that kbew ho w to use that talent and run an offense suited to EVERYONE’s strengths rather than just throw it in the Post to Al.
I’m kind of disgusted with the Jazz right now.
Guys guys, will you give the new guy a chance? I’m talking Dennis Lindsey yes, he hasn’t had a chance of making a single move yet and I bet his phone is steaming now. Something’s brewing, lets see what happens.
As for Ty, a coach tries to win games with what he has, and believe me, I wouldn’t want to be in his shoes with this roster. Finding a balance between players that have reached their ceiling and players that still need to develop, players that are elite offensively but poor defensively and viceversa, is all a hard task to do. Yes we were blown out by the Rockets, yes it was painful to watch, yes there are a lot of things to learn from the last game. But seriously, boycott the ESA? Bad idea. Fire Corbin as for now? Bad idea, he too still needs to develop.
I truly don’t understand the current #FireCorbin movement.
Give him a well balanced roster and then I’ll be able to see what he’s made of.
@Jamezz: well said! Jazz FO know what the situation is with players. Just because it doesn’t happen on OUR timeframes doesn’t mean they don’t have a plan for the future.
Screw a balance. fans pay their inflated ticket prices to see GOOD basketball, what Corbin if putting on the court is crap.
Actually you’re right noneyadb, lets do this starting lineup:
Burks
Murphy
Evans
Favors
Kanter
…and try to save the season. I mean what do you suggest instead of just stating that what’s being done now is crap?
Jamezz, you’re being ridiculous. This roster is actually spectacularly balanced, if he would play it right. The starting lineup needs to be based off of a players overall skill, not what they have in one category.
Would Jamaal Tinsley beat Burks 1 on 1? Not likely. Does Tinsley help the flow of the offense better than Burks? Probably, but not by much. Does Tinsley have a more significant effect on defense than Burks? Not a chance. I’d split the minutes down the middle, and eliminate Watson, as we’d be more effective with Kyrylo Fesenko running the point.
SG, same questions. Hayward blows by in every category.
SF, between Carrol and Marvin. Again, Carrol blows by in every category.
PF, between Paul and Kanter, or maybe Favors (I like Kanter as PF and Favors as C) Either way, it’s split, with a little edge to the youngsters.
C, between Al and Faves/Kanter. Blown out of the water is Al. Give him no more than 20 minutes until he learns to play defense and box out.
Now, was that so hard? So immensely difficult? Not in the slightest. But will Corbin make ANY sort of adjustment at all? Not a snowball’s chance in hell. He has biases towards the vets (At least I hope that’s it, and not that he’s just a complete moron, or maybe a Lakers fan) and he won’t make any changes, and therefore is an inept coach.
Waiting is over. If he were going to progress, he would have by now. But he’s not. I don’t want to invest time and money into watching a borderline elite team play in a mediocre way, because of the leader of the group.
@James, how bout instead of Murphy you put Hayward (he was moved to the bench cuz of Al), and instead of Evans, leave Marvin (I bet hes thinking, “damn at least in ATL the ballhogs liked to run on fastbreak, here we set up for halfcourt iso heavy sets and dont play D so we dont run at all!).
Kanter, Favors
Favors, Millsap, Evans
Marvin, Carroll, Hayward
Burks, Foye, Hayward
Hayward, Burks,
That should be the rotation. At this point Id dump Al, Watson for nothing, nothing! But if GM KOC can get anything of value thats a plus, but in the least dump Al and Watson.
Great insight Taco! I figured as much.
Noneyadb LOL!!
Well said KC!
And FYI: Corbin coaches as Jazz head coach for 48 minutes per game. Favors is 21 minutes; Kanter 14 minute; Burks 9 minutes……so lets not say Corbin is excused. GSW has young first time coach the same………in other words, that excuse is a false equivalence.
@Andrew, it’s called irony, my point was that you need to base your attacks with real arguments like you actually did and I thank you and Omar for your insight.
What I’m saying is that it’s not as easy as it seems. Like Big Al, realistically he’s had games where he bossed around the other team’s defense and worked hard on defense (wished this was more often) and some games like against Houston where I felt embarrassed, like that play when he was running back to defense and Houston’s PG was right behind him using him as a screen lol. This is like if you took advantage of an ambulance going to an emergency and you drove right behind it to slide through traffic.
As a matter of fact as a coach I would step up after this game and actually start Favors over Jefferson. Stuff like that is what I’d like to see from Corbin at times, that is one thing I agree with, his lack of leadership sometimes. But overall I’m not in a position of joining the #FireCorbin movement, not quite yet.
I havent read all the way down through here as of yet, but Favors is doing well, but still not commanding minutes.
What PG is available?
I think there are more questions than answers from what you want. Maybe you can find a magic lamp and wish for what you want, but much of it is not out there, and some of it will come to pass next season. Be patient.
@Jamezz
I think this is where to role of a coach comes in. Players will have an off night here and there, or play possessed at other times. It’s up to the coach to recognize these situations and bench the player or keep them on the court accordingly.
This is where some of our frustration stems from. It seems Corbin is not always paying attention to the players, or too chicken to make a move. There are many instances where he’s pulled off the hot hand, and kept on a lousy performing player much longer then he should have.
Also, if certain players are adamant about starting, why not play them for the first 3-5 minutes of a game – hence, they’re in the starting lineup.
@Jamezz, that was the play that where total frustration hit me. Even Ron Boone sounded upset on that play! He even kept saying Al gets beat again several times.
And that Harden dunk right before half, Al was in the paint, Foye gets beat straight up, and its Burks that comes all the way from the corner to at least try to make a play—-whereas, Al standing at the free throwline when play began, ends up at the free throw line ball watching….and thats are center!! There are less talented bigs that play harder. But until Corbin grows a set or develop a brain, why should Al play harder. And we are picking on Al for one game this has been his MO. Al is inconsistent, mediocre, overpaid, overrated, yet…yet, he his the highest paid player (getting CP3 money?!), gets most minutes, has started every game, takes the most shots, the offense is run through him?! I mean, its both Corbin and the GM KOC fault we are in this situation.
For Al’ getting paid like a all star he should produce like one. He is not efficient at all he might get 20ppg but shoots 22 that’s not good. Like Omar said his defense sucks! I’d much rather watch kanter play and make mistakes but atleast he goes balls out he gives it his all he plays with heart.
Boycotting a game might have an effect but fans bringing signage demanding change would probably get more local press coverage.
Waiting to do so until a game was to be shown nationally would probably merit at least a response from the FO, even if it wasn’t the one that fans asked for.
I’m not generally the type of fan that thinks moving a coach on is the answer to a team’s success. It takes time to transform a team. It takes time for players to adjust to a new coach’s style of play. However with Corbin I have seen little progress in the time he has been in charge. I was willing to overlook all the losses the team wracked up 2 years ago. No team is going to react well to losing a hall of famer coach. Certainly not a team that then loses its franchise player. The team also had to fight through a lot of injuries that first half season under Corbin. Times were difficult.
I thought last season if the team could get to the playoffs, we could call that progress. However the way the team was playing throughout that season I had my misgivings about the direction of the team. As fans we could all see the team struggled to win first quarters. We could see that Jefferson is great against certain matchups and not so good against others. Opposing teams could see it too. Jazz fans and opposing teams alike could see that the offense over relied on Big Al. Throughout the season though nothing was done to experiment with other lineups unless Al was injured or unavailable to play. Think Al’s funereal leave when the Jazz played the Lakers midway through the season. His absence then was a blessing in disguise, it allowed Favors to start and the Jazz won the game against a team of bigs whose height and strength gives Jefferson problems. That could have been a sign to the coaching staff that against certain opposition it would be ok to bring Al on as the 6th man, while starting him against other teams that he beats up all on how own. Nothing changed.
Al starts when available, no matter the opposition, despite Al being a notoriously slow starter who likes to work his way into the game.
Communication goes a long way for a coach. If a coach, old or young, experienced or not can communicate he can get an important player to come on as the 6th man and do a job, if the team mentality is about sacrificing for the team win, rather than individual minutes and stats – think James Harden at OKC, or Manu Ginobili at the Spurs. Young coach, old coach – doesn’t matter. Within the Jazz squad, its not like any player is a standout player, Jefferson wouldn’t even have to be a sixth man for every game, he could probably start against 16 – 18 teams, the other more defensive teams or teams that have a poor match up could have Favors coming in on his place. No one needed to lose minutes unless someone is really demanding them from stellar play but minutes could have been retained through better matchups. That is what was upsetting to me last season, Corbin was reluctant to take risks. Not only was there a lack of playing around with the roster for certain matchups, but nothing was done to change the Jazz reliance on Al within the offense. I was hoping it was just a lockout season issue and given the chance the offense plays of the team would take away from the over reliance of Al. Not only to have a better attacking balance for the team but to help Al’s game too.
However the signs are the leading to the same this season. Gordon Hayward is getting more touches of the ball this season but his game has really come on since he was moved to the bench unit. Our third highest scorer, a player that shoots more efficiently than Al plays from the bench. As a result our starting offense has become even more reliant on Al. I thought the front office had made some interesting moves this summer. Foye was a cheap 3 point threat addition and Mo was an improvement on Devin, but I was looking forward to seeing what Marvin would do in a Jazz uniform free from Atlanta ISO play. Turned out he’s probably even less effective offensively here than he was there. Al has shown signs that he wants to at least work on his weak passing, but the team still heavily relies on Al’s work down low and that takes touches away from the likes of Marvin, and Gordon, and this isn’t on Al but Corbin. Corbin is the one that could change the offensive plays. No one is talking about the fast pace of the Jazz offense the coaching team tried to install because it hasn’t been in effect in any regularity. Why did the FO team get Marvin here on 8 million a season, if Marvin barely gets any opportunity to play his way into the game?
The fact is the Jazz have a good group of players that should get to the 500 mark on their own. A good coach would give them the direction to get ahead of that level. There has been no progress over the last 2 seasons. Despite the fact that the playing personnel has been improved with certain departures and additions in that same time frame. That for me is a sign that Corbin needs to be moved on. However he needs to be moved on for the right man. Too many unemployed coaches out there would not be an improvement.
Good stuff Steven. It has long been my stance that Corbin is the core of the problem, and your idea of protest signage at the games might be the best suggestion in regard to this thread’s original question.
That said, there’s still no doubt Jefferson needs to go. Al apologists will point out the times when he dominated a game against a weak opponent orpugteam on his back in the fourth quarter or overtime. But for every game
he plays like that, there’s a 3-for-17-type game. And THAT is where the main problem lies, that he never has and never will put forth a consistent effort
night in and night out, he just has too much of a seemingly inherent loser mentality and it’s rubbing off on our future core players.
*or put the team on his back
Corbin I believe is the core of the problem when it comes to why this team isn’t performing at a higher standard.
It is my belief that Jefferson was only ever seen as a short term solution by KOC to address the issue of Boozer moving to Chicago and the lack off offensive threat we would have had as result. When KOC then went after Favors and drafted Kanter that confirmed my view. It’s not Al’s fault that he became the main scoring threat when Dwill left, that was never part of the plan but for a season or two it became a reality nonetheless. However he does have some glaring deficiencies in his game that suggest he cannot be the main guy to rely on night after night. Corbin could have worked this situation to the advantage of the development of Favors and Kanter on the occasions that Jefferson wasn’t going to have a hard time leading the line and yet still relied on Jefferson’s strengths to get results on most other occasions. The fact that he couldn’t suggest to me that he doesn’t have a head coach mentality and will struggle to be anything better than what he is, no matter the personnel under his charge.
Jamezz
I like to look at the Niners and make comparisons to the Jazz and what this team should be doing with the correct coach.
Unfortunately the Jazz are more like BYU and can’t figure out what QB to start. So instead they would rather loose games to Utah, Boise, ND, and basically every top tier talent team they faced. Similar to the Jazz, excruciatingly similar. How is Bronco doing these days?
Harbaugh benched the most efficient QB in the league. A QB who statistically did not deserve to loose his starting job. BUT Harbaugh had the BRAINS to start the QB that gave the team a better chance to WIN. WHY? Because Harbaugh is an outstanding Coach and made a decision based on whats best for the team.
Corbin, if you have ever listened to his post game comments, can’t figure out his head from his ass let alone playing the best players that help this team.
“We were thinking of our next offensive possession” in reference to the Clippers game where AL was left in the game for the FINAL play with 17 seconds left on the game clock. Do you actually think CP3 is going to leave anytime on the clock for the Jazz to run a play let a lone a play to Jefferson????
Or even better how about when Jefferson had to take himself out of the game because HE knew that defense was what the team needed. Not himself standing out there looking at everybody drive right past him.
And to all of those who say we need to play AL because his value will diminish if he doesn’t start. YOU HAVE THE WRONG MENTALITY. Jefferson’s value diminishes every time he plays defense, every time he misses a shot, every time he doesn’t foul somebody going to the hole, basically every time he doesn’t do the things a real Center does.
The only way to raise his value is for CORBIN to actually run screens for Jefferson to get a smaller defender on him, so that his PER and FG% should go up.
But basic coaching to get the best value out of your player is too difficult for some people.
Alex Smith will be traded has he lost value? who cares? The team will continue to thrive and if he sticks around he takes a pay cut and is an outstanding backup. SAME AS THE JAZZ. Will the team win from here on out,, NO, but who cares, the future of this team depends on the development of the youth today.. Not scwandering valuable playing time to mediocre vets.
The Jazz are not trading Jefferson because no other team wants him for 15M, he isn’t worth it. CENTERS THAT DON’T PLAY DEFENSE DON’T WIN CHAMPIONSHIPS… Name one?
I don’t care who Corbin puts on the court anymore at this point. I want to see an active, ball moving, players cutting, screen setting, dunking, shooting, and exciting game…
If Corbin is the coach of this team that shouldn’t be hard to do CONSIDERING THE C4 ALREADY PLAY THAT WAY.
Even better Why did D’Antoni bench Gasol? Because he couldn’t keep up with the pace at which the team wants to play and he can be more effective from the bench…
Sound familiar? But that’s just what GOOD Veteran Coaches do right? Not Rookies or new coaches. Oh wait Thibodeau benched Boozer his first year. Damn… Uhmmmmm
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Austin to your post
Start a “We Want The Core 4″ chant at every game.
Totally should!!!! And go niners!!!
The completely stupid part is that we are playing high priced veterans to play in front of guys who have a higher ceiling and more potential and need. ourt time to become better players. And for what?!! An eighth seed and a sweep again? Don’t tell me we couldn’t accomplish the same with our young guys. Plus we would save money, have cap room, and fans would get exciting basketball to watch, chemistry would develop, players would get better.
Seriously, WTH is the FO doing. No seriously. If the vets aren’t substantially better (think 5th-seed or better) than the young guys, there is absolutely NO point to have them play in front of guys who need development.
I’m seriously baffled at this point and can only come up with two reasons: Pride to say we made the playoffs (although it’s meaningless as a 6-8 seed, draft picks are actually better), and/or the extra money that comes from playoff games (you would save that by not paying for veterans like Al’s 15 million). Anyone else have a clue why we’re doing what we’re doing?
I used to be a vocal supporter of Tyrone Corbin. I spent most of last year defending him. What really changed my mind about him was when he reinserted Josh Howard into the starting lineup for a playoff game, after he had missed a big chunk of the season.
And of course this season Corbin has been a beacon of idiocy. I have never seen a more incompetent coach in all of professional sports.
We could have the Original Dream team in their prime, and with Tyrone Corbin as head coach, we would still lose. The man is THAT bad.
Kc 100% agree more and more I think we stand pat and push for the 8 th seed.
@nick glad you changed the guy is an idiot.