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Posted by: Brian H on March 6th, 2012
The author's views are entirely his or her own and may not reflect the views of the Utah Jazz.Found this interesting.
http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/page/5-on-5-120302/nba-making-deal-five-teams-need-one
5. What trade should the Warriors make?
Foster: Monta Ellis to the Utah Jazz for Al Jefferson.
The Warriors would finally have the legitimate center they’ve been yearning for and a resolution to the backcourt dilemma between Ellis and Steph Curry. On Utah’s end, it would be clearing playing time for Derrick Favors and Enes Kanter and have the backcourt scoring option it desperately needs.
Thoughts?
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I saw this too. This is something that would help out Golden State immensely, but I do not think that it would be good for the Jazz. Ellis is a volume shooter, and we are not a team that runs through one player, we are a team that needs everyone involved in order to win. I would like to see Burks become our back-court scorer, we should roll the dice on him before trading a big for a small.
What I do think that the team needs to do is to trade C.J. Miles before the deadline. I would be happy to receive a second round pick for him.
I HATE this trade. If we are moving a big man, why move the only one who can reliably score? Why would we want a high volume low efficiency scorer like Ellis?
FYI….this trade isn’t happening. This trade is as dead as the Rondo/Allen trade. It ain’t happen’n.
From what I’ve seen of his play at GSW I’m not convinced that Ellis is a player that can make his teammates or team better. However I do think a player that can score as much as he can would give the front court more room to do their thing.
A lot of the Jazz’s struggles this year has been down to an over reliance on the players in the paint scoring. We have no real threat outside,so the defense of opponents can concentrate on the paint.
Ellis though would score highly but miss a lot of his shots. That could be a problem and turn us into a team with potential into something like what GSW are now. Then again GSW don’t have a Kanter like sort of player that can gobble up rebounds.
Moving Jefferson on would allow Favors to move to the side of the floor that he already has a go to shot on. I think part of the slow development of Favors this year and his lack of development minutes is down to the fact that both players like the same part of the floor and Al is going to get those minutes as he is more reliable.
Personally I would like to see all four of our bigs stay for a year or two longer. It is the one area of the team that works well. What we need is an outside threat to compliment that so that teams cannot just concentrate on snuffing out our bigs. An outside threat would make our bigs more efficient by giving them easier looks.
yes, but … no !
Ellis is such a wild card and high volume shooter. Not always the most efficient player. I would love it if we could somehow manage to get Curry.
Ellis in beter then curry and curry s very injury prone. They are both high volume shooters though, if we slow it down and run are half court offense I can usually guess jefferson is shooting the ball. I wish we could give up sap for ellis that way we have two guys that could put up points on the board but, I would think about it if I was koc its not a bad trade and, we need to get rid of a big so kanter and favors can develop.
I’d rather make a lesser trade like an expiring Miles contract for Crawford. Hes not opposed to being traded, portland doesnt use him with batum and Wes.
Hes got more 4 point plays then anyone in the league, can play PG if needed, was 6th man of the year. Deal with Bell for awhile and use Crawford, Burks, and Gordon if we need him at the 2, with Gordon playing some 3 with Howard.
Ellis can be dangerous, just dont think it would improve our team.
@Trevor, according to espn.com, Curry attempts 12 shots a game from the field and makes 48% of them, along with attempting 5 3-pointers a game and making 45% of those. Ellis on the other hand attempts 19.4 shots a game and makes 43%, and attempts 4.4 from 3 and makes 29%. Curry is a more efficient player and a much cheaper option(3 mil)than Ellis(11 mil) and our current pg Harris(9 mil). Therefore less risk as well even if he is injury prone.
@Matt-Portland is far more likely to take CJ for Wes than for Crawford. Crawfords value is much higher than that. Matthews is reportedly not in good favor right now in Portland. Listen to David Locke’s tip off from this morning, he talks all about it.
Curry is more effficent yes but, just because your more efficient doesn’t make you the better player. Curry has been hurt alot and, that is a scarey thing to take on at least I know with ellis he will be ready to go every game for as long as you need him to go. Curry is hit and miss every game. Which also meeses with his consistency and, I don’t want anther player like paul who plays well when he is 100 percent but, when he’s not he isn’t worth putting out on the court. So I wouldntake ellis anyday of the week over curry for that reason only.
Curry is definitely an upgrade over Harris. Would still want to get a good PG in the draft behind Curry though. I wouldn’t trade Al for Ellis, it doesn’t make sense. What would work best around Al is spot-up three shooters and good cutters (Howard is a good cutter when Al has the ball).
I think we have a better player in Alec Burks than Ellis, to be honest with you. It’s just that he’s a rookie right now. Let’s just trade CJ so Burks can play more, and keep Al.
I respectfully disagree with you. In his prior 2 NBA seasons, Curry didn’t play 10 out of 104 games for whatever reason…That’s not too bad if you ask me. This season, yes he has had ankle troubles. But Ellis had surgery on his ankle mid career after lying and saying it got hurt in a pick up game and then it came out that he actually wrecked his moped and got suspended by GS. Anyway I recognize that Ellis is a great scorer but I just don’t know if I would rather have him than some other options.
I don’t want Ellis. How about this trade Millsap for Jrue Holliday and Nocioni.
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=7wlcalr
We get a young PG and Phiily gets Sap who I think fits in their system better than Brand and Philly also dumps Nocioni’s contract onto us.
I don’t think the sixers will go for that at all. Jrue is their pg of the future they wont trade him for sap. I also don’t know if he will click at all in a jazz system.
@Bracken–Stephen Curry is very injury prone. He misses more games each season exponentially (3 games first, 6 games second, 12 games this season) He has already missed one-third of this season. Good player, but not one who will last in the NBA. He’s the next Brandon Roy.
That’s looking more to a linear relation than an exponential ! I love Curry, but he is a SG in a point guard’s body.
What about Sap and CJ for Lou Williams and Nocioni. Williams is their backup and has a better per. Since they have 2 good pg they may be willing to give one away for Sap.
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=7mm9bbg
I like Lou Williams.
Portlands already shopping crawford around and wants a new point guard as well, was exploring blake from the lakers again.
Miles is expiring contract which helps them with cap space for better PG.
Then why not just throw Harris and Miles in the mix for an expiring Felton and Matthews?
Free up a PG position this off-season to spend $$ on. Get a solid SG that can play alongside Hayward and Burks getting Miles minutes. Hopefully at this point, Bell is getting >5 min a night.
Or Millsap and Harris for Batum and Matthews or Wallace and Matthews?
Would wes batum and felton go for sap harris cj and, a dp? Or use memos trade exception. That way we get a whole new change of front court. New pg that knows how to run an offense. Wes is a great shooting guard needs some work but, not much and, batum great shooter lots of length would help out both sides of the court. Sounds like a great starting line up to me: felton, wes, batum, favors and, al with kanter heyward and, burks coming off the bench.
Portland won’t give Batum for anything we are willing to give. Let’s see how the season plays out with our team except for cj. He has not been consistent at all I agree that he should be traded and all the minutes go to burks. Other than that I think we see what happens this year and then al or Harris will be much easier to move next year
@JC Swan i was looking at that a few days ago and David L threw it out there, i like the trade alot
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=88c3c4j
Yeah, I’m with you Jason. You can let Felton walk and throw out an offer to Augstin or Aaron Brooks.
I would see if we can throw bell in on that trade jason so we can free up some time for burks. Then find a place for paul as well
I love how Jared said we do not want a high volume low efficiency scorer and that is Jefferson to a tee hahahahaha