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The JAZZ have NO HEART, NO LEADER, and Corbin MUST GO!
Posted by: BigDFord on March 10th, 2013
The author's views are entirely his or her own and may not reflect the views of the Utah Jazz.The JAZZ have NO HEART, NO LEADER, and Corbin MUST GO!!! I haven’t posted since 11/26/2012 but I cannot stand to stay silent any longer. The entire NBA knows that the Utah Jazz have NO HEART! They will fold like a lousy poker hand! Put a little pressure on them in the third quarter and they will crumble. Put a little more pressure on them and get a little physical in the fourth quarter and they will completely disintegrate!!! Everybody knows it and they all use it against us. The JAZZ have no real LEADER to step up and hold the individual players accountable for their poor play or just dogging it or phoning it in. And last but not least….. Someone has to say it – Ty Corbin is a lousy coach! NO MORE OJT for TY. The JAZZ need a quality coach that knows what he is doing. If the veterans and other “oldies and moldies” can’t get the job done sit, them or get rid of them now while they still have some value. Al J. plays NO Defense whatsoever and Paul M. can’t play the entire game by himself. Play the talented young guys. They are the future of the Franchise! Marvin W. has been a totally worthless pickup for the team. Tinsley and Earl are just mid-level players at best. Foye is always Hot and Cold. Come on JAZZ Brain(?) Trust – Do your job or are you satisfied with one-and-out in the playoffs every year or not even making the playoffs at all and being a lottery team? Anyone can be MEDIOCRE year after year.
When I last posted on 11/26/2012 I made the statement (Below) and I still stand by it more than ever!!!
Nothing ever changes! The seasons may change, the players may change, the coach may change, the owner may change, the GM may change. and even the name on the building may change but the Utah Jazz ALWAYS SUCK! What is wrong? Is it the air we breathe in Utah (or for the best part of every season, the Smog, Inversion, Etc)? They always seem to play the same and lose the same. I’m a lifelong Utah resident and, for many years, a Jazz season ticket holder. Why can’t they ever seem to live up to their potential? Are the always destined to disappoint? Why can’t we ever have a “Great Team” with “Great Players” and why can’t we ever win an NBA Championship? WHAT IS REALLY WRONG WITH THE UTAH JAZZ?????
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I feel exactly the same. Im sick of being embarassed by the team latley. Having to crap from my friends and family that like big market teams just sucks. Now when Im listening or watching other NBA broadcasters or media they make jokes about are pathetic play. Stuff needs to change this offseason starting with Corbin.
Oh my.. couldn’t have added your voice to any of the other dozen posts ranting the same thing. I understand your frustration, and may agree with a lot of your thoughts, but Im tired of hearing fans cry about how no one cares. I bet if you go and have a chat with many of the players they will say the same thing. Either support your team, win or lose, or jump on a band wagon. No team wins all the time, and there is only one nba champ each season. I look forward to the coming yrs because I can see whats coming down the stretch.
I keep typing a comment and then erasing it because everything has been said so many times on this sight that it’s almost ridiculous we are still interested.
Jazz needed to enter a full on rebuild mode last year. With the semi-shortened season and possibility of adding two very good draft picks, moves needed to be made last year. This season is a complete waste of fans time, and players time and development.
I agree with Patrick, Dude, are you a Jazz fan? We all have a right to be frustrated with the way the team plays. But you never give up on your team. I predict the Jazz will pick up their chemistry over time. I don’t think it’s the coach’s fault of how they play. Its all on the players. They need to figure things out to win games. The coach can only do so much, the players have to do their part as well.
@Patrick and McKay, well stated. We ARE in rebuilding mode already and it can be frustrating I agree. These kids are benefiting from playing with Al and Paul and they will get their chance sooner that later. We just need to have a little patience. It will take a couple of years before they become a force.
Anyone who says this season has been a waste of time hasnt been watching Favors, Kanter, and Burks development. They have improved much since the beginning of the season. Now add a PG, and a strong SF for them to grow with and we are set.
Okay seriously….for reals. Help me understand, cuz Im serious.
All I heard LAST year when Al, Sap, Howard, CJ, Bell (who everyone says is useless yet start a lot of games for Jazz and averaged 20+ minutes), and Watson where dominatingthe rotation and minutes was to be patient and NEXT year (2012-13) the young guys will get there chance…..
All I am hearing THIS year when Al, Sap, Marvin, Foye, Watson, Tinsley, and Mo are dominating the rotation and minutes is to be patient and what til the “future” (when exactly Id like to know).
So the questions I am asking and have yet to get an answer from still are these:
A) how exactly did playing Howard, Bell, CJ getting 20+ minutes per game benefit the Jazz this year? Considering they are no longer with the Jazz, AND two of the three are not even in the NBA?? Help me understand.
2) how does playing Al (30+), Sap (30+), Foye (25+), Watson (20+), Tinsley (20), Mo (30) a ton of minutes (all on expiring contracts) this year?? Considering that they either wont be on the team next year, OR will be resigned and in some instances take away minutes in the future from players you claim will get their chance in the future??
So, tell me how this benefits the Jazz in the future, considering Jazz might not make the playoffs?
Anybody? You lot seem to be content, so help me understand your thinking or give me an overview of this future masterplan, cuz…I dont see it.
So until then #FireCorbin….at least.
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Lookin’ for love in too many faces
Searchin’ their eyes, lookin’ for traces
Of what I’m dreamin’ of
Hopin’ to find a friend and a lover
I’ll bless the day I discover
Another heart lookin’ for love
@omar
-I honestly believe that the grand plan is to limit our young talented players minutes so that we can artificially deflate their stats so that when it comes time to re-sign them we can do so at a much more small market friendly price. That leaves cap space to add a veteran ‘game changer’ that could take our team from perennial 7th-10th spot to 1st-4th. This seemingly non-sensical decision making by the Jazz FO is all part of the long term plan.
I truly do half-believe this, as absurd as it sounds.
No argument from me. @ Patrick – Do you ever get sick of making excuses for the mediocre level of play tht a majority of Jazz have shown. The players you have mentioned above have been great, COMING OFF THE BENCH. The Bugger all minutes they get each game have been very entertaining, its the other 35 mins that are the problem.
I have a good friend that was born and raised in the Boston area.Raising a family with all the crime he got a government job in Utah. But he was forever a Boston fan. Basketball, Hockey, Football,Baseball. He would always say “Love um or leave um.” He was in his seventies when the Red Sox finally won the World Series.. Just be glad you are not a Cubs fan..
@Robert, Patrick, Corbin Apologists-
It’s not a coach’s fault when a player doesn’t play well? So, riddle me this..
If a potential superstar-caliber player only puts up 5 points, 5 rebounds/assists a night, is that his fault? Maybe. But now add the coach to the equation (Which you haven’t been) and take a look. The superstar caliber player getting those stats on 15 minutes a night? Yes, that is most definitely the coach’s fault.
Same player, different scenario; say the superstar-caliber player is now playing slightly more significant minutes, however, now he’s playing with a ball-hog, inefficient isolation player who the coach does nothing but feed. The black hole gets his 20/10, usually on 25+shots, and the superstar-caliber player gets his 5/5. Is this the players fault? Surely not, he doesn’t get an opportunity. Is it the black hole’s fault? Partially, but it can’t help that it’s a black hole. Is it the coach’s fault? Entirely.
People say have patience, but we’ve had enough patience. I’m sure we’d have a lot more if we saw steps in the right direction. Real Jazz fans aren’t kidding when they say they’d prefer the young kids to lose than the moldy oldies to win. Thousands of fans, ESPN, base sense can’t be so consistently wrong, so “trusting that the front office knows more than we do” is complete idiocy. Insanity is doing the same thing over and over, and expecting a different result. The Jazz are truly insane.
I do not write this in defense of Corbin, he is young and learning.
I am old enough to remember well when many Jazz fans were saying the same things about Jerry Sloan as a new head coach of the Jazz, they wanted his head. But the Jazz and Larry Miller stayed with him and he ended up in the hall of fame.
Remember our team is young and make mistakes that more experience will take care of.
I dont remember making any excuses for any players at any time. Also dont remember making any excuses for any. I have defended Paul Millsap, because though he is no All Star, we get our Monies worth were he is concerned. I love that Kanter and Favors have had the opportunity to learn and grow under both Millsap and Jefferson.
Now open your eyes and look ahead. Who’s under contract next season. Stop crying about now and get excited about the future. I think that its gone exactly how it needs to be done. Let the young guys grow into their bodies, and devlope this season, for they are the future starting next year.
How old were Malone and Stockton before they got into the league and became dominant? How young are our core. Our future looks pretty bright. But if your tired of waiting and out of patience, you can always jump ship and become a OKC or Miami fan. Dont let the door pound your behind on the way out. Goooo Jaaaazzzz
I am yet to hear why playing CJ, Howard, Watson, Bell last 20+ minutes per game benefit the Jazz this year. It wasnt until they were hurt or not in rotation that the Jazz played their better players and went on to separate winning streaks to make it into the playoffs, but of course Corbin reinserted Howard into starting lineup and Jazz lost 4 straight.
So again Im not hearing any answers as to how that is good coaching. A direct answer? Or should I assume Im right that Corbin is a sorry coach. In that case #FireCorbin.
Everyone wants to talk about how well Burks has become this year ….well in the 28 games prior to Mos injury, in 21 of those games Burks got less than 8 minutes. In 21 of those games, Burks was DNPed!!
So can someone explain to me how thats good coaching??? Injuries for the second straight year! Lmao! Howard, CJ, Bell, Watson, Mo, Watson …..how many teams need at lewst SIX major injuries to key rotation players—in order to become a BETTER team! Lol! Imagine the Lakers had 6 rotation players at the top of the depth chart injured? Or Boston? Or the Clips? How much of a better team would they be?
We are the only team dump enough to play are worst players a head of our best player?! Wtf! Ask yourselves this question: if you had to put a million dollars on a game between Jazz vs Jazz from last year which 5 players would you put 1M on??? Al, Sap, Howard, CJ, Watson?? Or Al, Sap, Cj, Bell, Watson??
What about this year same scenario??? Al, Sap, Marvin, Foye, Mo? Al, Sap, Marvin, Foye, Watson??—THOSE ARE THE DAMN LINEUPS WE START!! Against NBA teams?! Those lineup cant even beat their 2nd unit Kanter, Favors, JYD, Hayward, Burks—the onky reason we are abke to comeback or straight up win games, but they are not good enough to start?! Get the F out of here! Lol!
Burks, Kanter, Favors have about a 2 minute boost in playing time from last year….2 additional minutes, despite being top 6 players?! Thats on the coach.
According to Bell, he was okay if Jazz went with Jazz moment and no hard feelings if they traded him to do so…..traded him in 2012!! According to Bell, he said they told him they were not ready for the youth movement. So basically we didnt trade Bell a year ago cuz the Jazz organization was not ready for youth movement ….Bell wanted a trade and Jazz still held on to a player they didnt want and excused from BB related activity…cuz they are ready for the youth movement! If Bell is telling the truth, Jazz FO might be more inept than we even imagined. Thats bad!!
*15 DNPs before Mo got hurt.
So, who is the best leader in the upcoming draft? A kid know for his tuffness and drive to win? Presents match up issues w size and loves to play D? Also a position of need for our team. I’ve watched him play three games this year – he was not the best scorer on the court, he was the best player.
I HOPE Jazz can swing a trade and pick up Marcus Smart.
@Omar, I think that many of your comments are well founded. I would have liked the youth to have received more PT earlier on, but I disagree with the let’s fire Corbin push. In a couple of years you will probably be vindicated on that first point. I just believe that we need to let Corbin grow into his job. He’s making mistakes, “yes”. I enjoy your intellect and passion and in contrast to Andrew’s comments I don’t think that Patrick and I are apologists as much as not willing to throw in the towel on Corbin. Some of our core4 are barely out of their teens and playing with some of our veterans has been good for them in developing their skills. I still agree with you that I would have liked to see more playing time for them. In my dotage I need the challenging comments you bring. Thank you.
St Spalding, I actually have him second behind Burke. Its tight, but I think Burke, though smaller, has more upside. Guess we will see in about 2 yrs.
Hayward can’t do it by him self he needs the vets to step it up
I’ve been saying it for a long time that the Jazz have been missing leadership. The last full season that Sloan walked the sidelines was the last season that the Jazz had real leadership from the coaching staff. When Jerry returned after that summer, he looked tired, he looked like someone who had thought about retiring in the summer but decided it against it and then looked like he regretted it. That to me was the real reason he left when he did. It wasn’t the fight with Deron, I’m sure he had far worse troubles with Malone, but at that stage of his career he was done fighting, and it showed on the floor. The players did have the same direction that last half season of Sloan.
Then Corbin came in horrible circumstances stepping into the shoes of a hall of famer coach, losing the one star player the team had and dealing with injury after injury. Corbin try as he might was just reacting to whatever was happening around him at the time. Let’s face it the letter half of that season sucked. Instead of direction coming from off the field it was up to guys like Jefferson to step up and pull the team through, a talented enough scorer but someone who should never be the star of the team, and the likes of Watson to pull along the rookies of Hayward and Favors and a bunch of crap along for the ride.
Since then, Corbin I’m afraid just hasn’t looked the part of a head coach. The FO may not have given him a star to work with but they have improved the squad from the days of Fesenko, Price and Elson, replacing it with more consistent talent. But despite 2 and half season in the job the team still struggles regularly to win first quarters. And now in the 3rd season under his charge is struggling to compete in 3rd quarters. He is reluctant to start any game without a lineup filled with vets unless given no choice through injuries or absences for other reasons. He has 4 lottery picks amongst his team but prefers to save each of them for bench duties.
It is true that Sloan was reluctant to play young undeveloped players in a starting role, but he did give Wesley Matthews, an undrafted player a long uninterrupted run in the starting unit in his final full season. He also gave Hayward the opportunity to start games in his rookie season, granted he probably had not much choice that season as the team was limited in the talent it had available. I suspect that if this was still Sloan’s team and he had had the likes Favors and Hayward, Burks and Kanter, 2 or 3 years into their career here at least 2 of those players would be in the starting lineup.
When FO gave Corbin a 3 year contract this season, and gave him two number 3 picks to play with in the likes of Favors and Kanter I suspect FO were expecting Corbin to look to give them some time to see if they could step into the shoes of Jefferson and Millsap. Everybody in the league, knows the strengths and weaknesses of Jefferson’s game. Everybody in the league knows that Millsap is talented and plays with heart but is undersized for his position. I know that you, you know that, FO knows that, and they so provided Corbin with not one but two players that could conceivably step up, maybe not in all games but for some games when the matchups were wrong for the likes of Jefferson and Millsap, instead Corbin plays the safe game by not making personnel changes unless given no choice. Even when given no choice but to play the likes of Favors or Kanter or both and they play well and the team plays with them they return to the bench as soon as the an alternative lineup is available. I can’t believe for a minute that was the plan that FO had in mind when Jefferson was acquired at great expense to replace the scoring hole that was created when Boozer left for the windy city, not when the team traded for Favors and Kanter. Had Corbin shown leadership and courage, Corbin would have used Jefferson for all the good in his game, when the mathups were right, whilst trying to give Favors and/or Kanter playing time when the matchups didn’t suit Jefferson’s strengths. Had he shown that courage, not only would Favors and/or Kanter be further along in their game, but maybe the FO would have have been able to make a deal that traded Jefferson or Millsap that addressed another need in the team. However with Corbin reluctant to start a game without Jefferson and Millsap the FO team’s hands were tied. Without knowing exactly where Favors and Kanter are in their games, outside of playing against second units, trading what could have been attractive assets in Al or Paul could not be made. The FO gave him the tools and the contracts to make bold decisons and Corbin fluffed it in such a manner that he tied the hands that gave him the tools in such a manner that they couldn’t help him this past trade deadline.
This team’s heart and leadership seems to come on the floor but when the need extra help because of lineups or are being outplayed tactically they get no help from the sidelines. Teams run even by the likes of Vinny Del Negro only allow scoring runs of 5-6-7 points, teams run by the likes of Corbin regularly allow 9,10,11 point runs before a timeout is called. That is not direction or leadership, that something else is going to happen. Every team goes on runs, but its hard to win games on a regular basis if the lead gets too big. This team has heart, it has on field fighters, it just has no real leadership off it. Lately the decison making from the sidelines, or lack of it has meant winnable games have been lost. A coach cannot help turn around mistakes on the court by individual players, but he can make decisions early enough that an 8 point lead in the dying minutes can be a win instead of a loss.
@ Patrick – Trey played his high school ball here in Columbus (yep I’m in OHIO), with OSU All American Jared Sullinger. He is a HIGHLY competitive kid who always plays everything to win. His AAU and high school coach (Sullingers dad) said Trey would make daily activities into full blow contests ! But he can’t grow 4 inches to guard Westbrook and is more scorer than facilitator. Still if we can’t swing and get Smart, I’d be happy with Trey too.
@Patrick: I have seen in a couple of mocks Smart going as high as 1-3.. This is why I was saying before the trade deadline that Wall or Walker might be on the market. Their teams might be picking 1-2. Smart could easily be just as good or better than Wall/Walker..
@Steven. I think you are right.But next year maybe one or none of AL/Sap will be on the team. Hopefully Watson/Tinsley will be gone. Things should be different. I think Hayward should start at the three since we have other guards. If Mo returns he and Heyward should be the captians. One thing about kobe is he is not afraid to get in your face if you screw up. D-Will was the same way but both of them went a litte to far some times.
@ST: I think Trey would be fine as a starter. He is one of those guys on defense who is like a knat flying around. Will not leave you alone. And I think that because of his size he may well be avalible in the teens in the draft.Looks like he has the work ethic of Malone.. Has been compaired to Lillard, and CP3..
@Steven thank you for bring that up.
@Robert V, I am on a ledge!! I really need someone to talk me off it. I am seriously asking someone to tell me how playing mediocre to scrub level players helps the team the following year.
Remember when you played poorly, and I got on my knees and begged you not to because I’d go berzerk? Well, you did anyhow and the days got worse and worse and now you see I’ve gone completely out of my mind.
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You thought it was joke and so you laughed, you laughed when I had said that losing would make me flip my lid, right? You know you laughed, I heard you laugh, you laughed, you laughed and laughed and then you left, but now you know I’m utterly mad.
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When did this become a song lyric forum?
@LK The reason I have lost patience with Corbin is because the FO have Corbin different players every season and the problems remain the same. 3 seasons the team has struggled in first quarters. It was an identifiable issue with the Jazz that last half season of Sloan, but that second unit of players in that team wasn’t very good.
Since then FO have tried to address over time certain ailments of the team. Still 3 years in we are pretty much playing the same starting lineup as before despite the second unit of players improving and giving the team other options.
Corbin remains reluctant to be a leader that makes decisions, unless the decision is forced upon him. That sort of leadership is no leadership at all. This is a team that reacts to events thrust upon it rather than being a team that takes steps to enforce its own way forward.
Changing player personnel in the summer likely won’t be the game changer we want it to be without better leadership. Corbin’s progress on that front is way too slow.
In fact you could say had certain players not stepped up when some players got injured the team might have even more losses than it currently has this season. It was player power rather than coaching nuance that got us some victories this season.
We wanted it to be different when CJ, Harris and Howard left. Instead we got new players that struggled in a similar manner.
We wanted it to be different when Fesenko, Price and Elson left. Despite still having Watson and Tinsley, that second unit of players is night and day improved on the team that had Fes, and Elson. This second unit has grown a lot. But the second unit should not be outscoring the starting five against Chicago. When that starts happening maybe some players have outgrown the roles, and others shouldn’t be starting.
We wanted it to be different when Bell wasn’t available to play. Instead other players have been found wanting. This leadership is affecting this team, like it did the team, before, and its going to affect the next unless changes are made, and the change can’t always be playing personnel, as much as I want improvements there. Its not like we are suddenly going to acquire Chris Paul to hide our inefficiencies.
@agree with Steven, we have an improved roster, the youngs are playing great, yet we have a worse team?! Something is amiss.
My beef is when Watson/Tinsley ate up the PG minutes and came up empty handed several games. Twice in a week the Jazz had three starters lay goose eggs on points. Not making a change at all blew any chance for the playoffs. I also think Foye has done a good job this year but he is no starter and therefore has burned himself out. And as I have said several times Burks/Evans could have done a better job hands down..
@Omar, come back from the edge. We NEED you as a fan and conscience. Times WILL get better, we just have to suffer a little. We’ll laugh about it later, but not for a while, my friend.
Haha Robert V! I was so high after Bobcats game Kanter dropping 20/20 and the Bucks game Favors on pace to drop 20/20 back to back and Burks in a duel with Jennings—Burks scoring 12 points in 4th quarter, no Al, but….Corbin went with Sap to close, and ots been downhill since then—MEAMWHILE damn Lakers come back from 25 down against NO, Raptors up late and lose, and Bulls just got handled!! Now Lakers in playoffs and Jazz out!! FML, lol!! Jazz should be balling matched up with Clips (a good matchup)…..sucks.
omar maybe okc should have let their mid level vets played over their young talents like harden durant westbrook and ibaka.. JAZZ FO FK OUTTA HERE…. straight trash these past 2 years the way they treat these young dudes. heyward is the only who can be compared to the other lottery picks aint that a btch.
this isnt old time nba where talent sits so this !@#$% jazz model is as pointless as can be. burks favors and kanter have already rubbed in in their faces already so i cant wait unitl its time to resign. i would play hardball if im them. The jazz might really think they are going to get them on the cheap because of production but other teams are seeing what they can do. Bigs like kanter just dont pop up everyday..
i just gotta laugh at how fans just got strung along these past 2 years. TRASH
Maybe your missing the point….. Harris is a great SG, combo Guard, never was much of a point. In steps Mo. A little better, but far from elite. He steps out half the season and Watson and Tinsley though capable of leading a team and tossing out assists, cannot defend elite points and or Score…. No scoring gives eveyone else an extra defender against us. Since Mo has been back he hasnt done much better than the Watson and Tinsley. You can say that since DWill left we have not had what most teams would call a solid PG.. Get the point now??? Alec is a good Combo Guard, maybe in time could be a solid PG, but at the current time, he isnt the answer either.
Kanter, Evans, Marvin, Hayward, and Burks go on a 29 – 12 run!!!!
Happens every game, starters consistently start slow, bench makes a run!! Learn Corbin….Learn!!
@Pintz11, Id ask for a damn trade if they resign Al!! Even if they resign Sap, I ask for a trade if I was Favors and Kanter! FN Bench kills it every game!!
I’m quite tired of complacent and apathetic fans acting like you’re a bandwagon fan if you’re sick of pathetic play. Because I love this team, I know they can and should be better. Sometimes a little tough love is a good thing.
They should have killed it. Playing against a bad teams secondary, I’d expect nothing less.. I am not convinced they can hang with the best starters in the league as of yet. Cant wait for them to prove me wrong though. They are improving. Could that be, developement? Hmmm
….and thats with crap minutes, and usually only cuz of the injuries….just like last year….its deja vu all over again. Imagine if they got significant minutes, over the last 3 years???
I don’t consider myself as an apathetic fan. I don’t think I am someone who is the voice of a majority. Generally as a sports fan I do not believe in ditching coaches if a team is not living up to expectations. Changing a coach too often leads to disaster for most clubs, as the club generally lacks any sort of cohesion or direction because the next guy generally just wants to win now and save his job. I think the most successful clubs in sport generally have a coach that is there at the helm for a long time and who is then as a result able to put their own stamp on it. Think Alex Ferguson at Manchester United at the helm for over 25 years now, most successful manager in their history. Had the team not stuck with him when he was weeks away from the sack who is to say what sort of success or lack of Manchester United would have had in that same period. A big reason that we Jazz fans expect to get to the playoffs season after season is because of what Jerry Sloan was able to achieve over the years with different groups of players. This team could quite easily be a Charlotte, a Minnesota, or even a Sacramento unsure whether there is going to even be a team here in Utah in future but because this team was run by a group of individuals who believed in Jerry and gave him a long rein this is a team that has higher expectations than those teams.
I am not generally someone who gives up on coaches. Coaches generally are more important than players. Players come and go. It is a good coach that is going to give the team stability and direction. So therefore I prefer to be more patient with a coach than I would be a player. It pains me to call for a coaches head.
Unfortunately though I haven’t seen any real development in Corbin. I haven’t seen him have any progress with his lineups, other than when decisions have been forced upon him. I haven’t seen any progress on his timeout useage. Teams still go on long runs on the Jazz whilst coaches around the league still try to limit the Jazz to shorter runs than the Jazz allows. I haven’t seen progress on his man management. He still has a tendency to use the excuse that a player is injured instead of calling it straight that the player in question hasn’t been playing up to expectations, only for that player to turn around later ‘thats news to me’. Tinsley did that just a couple of weeks ago. Tinsley is guy who has been in the league a long time, he used to be a a starter, he’s used to being benched, he can handle the truth. Raja Bell could have too. Communicating is a big part of a coaches job, and that could have saved the team $3.5m and losing a player to a golf course in Florida for 6 months. If the players don’t trust the coach to tell them as it is, how is the team going to get real coach driven results?
I don’t buy the pie in a sky stat that a coach only affects the win’s a team gets by two games a season. Coaches cannot do anything about player mistakes, but coaches around the league do help their team win close games, with careful manipulation of the game clock. The other day when the Jazz were up 8 and 2 mistakes were made the Jazz could have made a timeout after that first mistake and had Corbin been someone like Popovich he would have reminded the players what they needed to do to make sure the game was won. I don’t expect Corbin to have all the coaching smarts of Popovich at this stage of his career, but I don’t see the progress, and thats why its time for him to go. In his time here, Corbin has had his squad improved since he started the job and the results haven’t progressed in the same manner. Had Corbin shown more courage with his lineups and given the likes of Favors and Kanter, and Hayward and Burks more starts to see what they could do, he wouldn’t have tied the hands of the FO staff and they might have been able to make more deals that would traded some players to address other areas of the squad. But without knowing what those players are capable of against starting caliber players the FO could not make such deals without it being a punt in the dark. The FO team needs to see what Kanter and Favors can do before they can say its time for Jefferson and/or Millsap to leave. I don’t see Corbin as a coach who helps his team on the floor. I don’t see him having the smarts to outsmart other coaches, I don’t see him as coach that tells the players the truth. And I don’t see him as a coach that helps his FO team. Short of this team acquiring a star I don’t see how this team or any other team will be better with Corbin at the helm. And as long as he is here I don’t see star players wanting to come here.
Steven, I completely agree with what you said. I am however, wondering why you felt like you needed to mention Manchester United to JAZZ fans when talking about coaches who have long tenures with one team. Pretty sure Jazz fans don’t need an example of a soccer club overseas to understand the benefit of a long term coach.
Again though, I agree with you. Hiring and firing coaches never ends well for the teams doing it. And I don’t think firing Corbin would necessarily mean the Jazz were that type of team. I would hope they wouldn’t fall into that trap or habit. Corbin just is not a head coach. He is a good assistant, but we need a head coach. Every single game feels like our head coach got kicked out and Corbin is just trying to survive the game and report back to the head coach about what happened and why. Remember when Jerry would get booted and you’d get that nervous feeling watching how Phil Johnson would run things? (Even though they were basically on the same page). I feel that constantly with Corbin.