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Corbin/Expectations
Posted by: Christon Rigby on December 10th, 2012
The author's views are entirely his or her own and may not reflect the views of the Utah Jazz.Don’t you think we’re being a little too hard on Corbin? With all these players in the last year of their contracts I think Corbin does a great job of creating team basketball and controlling the ego’s. This team has a lot of depth so ofcourse there is going to be discussions about minute distributions.
Foye is not a great defender against bigger shooting guards but he kept us close in so many games with his three point shot. (#4 in 3PM) We tend to forget that and only look at his defense. Al Jef same thing. All these players have their strengths and their weaknesses. Look at Tinsley, a great playmaker for the 2nd unit with all these young guys but he can’t defend the quick young point guards of this league. It’s not an easy job distributing the minutes between these players.
Don’t get me wrong, it’s great that Kanter put up these numbers yesterday in just 17 mins! And I would love to see more of Burks on the court but our team is now 12-10 and we had 13 road games. That’s pretty good considering our budget and with the level of talent we have now. What are your thoughts Jazz Nation?
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The Lakers road win was actually impressive. But our other wins are Toronto , New Orleans and Wizards and losses we shouldn’t have had considering the competition.
Ive seen improvement in Corbin for sure, but some decisions baffle me and appear to favor vets just for the fact they are vets instead of real basketball and matchup reasons.
Corbin has never been anything but inept. The last few games have sugar coated that fact because everyone has been playing stellar. But the time will come again when there are old vets with bricks in their shoes that will get 30+ minutes on the court because Corbin doesn’t know how to coach effectively.
I think typically most coaches play their starters around 30 minutes per game (give or take a minute or two).
If I was coaching this team, and everyone was healthy:
Starter Point Guard: Mo Williams (30 minutes)
Reserve Point Guard: Jamaal Tinsley (18 minutes)
Starter Shooting Guard: Randy Foye (18 minutes)
Reserve Shooting Guard: Gordon Hayward (30 minutes)
Starter Small Forward: Marvin Williams (30 minutes)
Reserve Small Forward: DeMarre Carroll (18 minutes)
Starting Power Forward: Paul Millsap (24 minutes)
Reserve Power Forward: Derrick Favors (24 minutes)
Starting Center: Al Jefferson (24 minutes)
Reserve Center: Enes Kanter (24 minutes – based on what I have seen in the last two games)
Earl, Alec, Jeremy, and Kevin would unfortunately have to sit and watch most of the time.
@Jason – I love the idea of splitting the bigs’ minutes.
Our team is very interesting, because there isn’t a big dropoff from starter to backup, which means on any given night, Corbin needs to be very aware of what players are in the groove and which are not and be able to make adjustments. If Foye is having an off shooting night, he doesn’t bring much else, so you’d want to try Burks out or put in Hayward. Most other teams have a clear difference in the level between starter and backup. But its also that reason that the Jazz can’t leave an unproductive player in, because we need everyone to play well to be successful. Really that’s where I’ve had issue with Corbin so far is that he rides vets who are struggling for too long, when they have a backup who can play just as well and probably better. In contrast, there’s a short leash for the young guys when they aren’t playing well.
Anyway, I hope the Toronto game was the tipping point. I loved that Al just comes out and says he loved seeing the ball-sharing and he wants that to continue. I’ve said this all along. He needs to be less a focal point for the offense for the first 3.5 quarters of games. He’s great at closing games, so use him for that, but to make your offense Al post-ISO-centric wastes the talents of everyone else, disengages them, and makes things too hard. Ball movement has always been the hallmark of Jazz basketball. 131 pts vs Raptors. 117 vs. Lakers in LA, let’s hope it continues.
I was actually thinking esactly the same thing about Corbin, we have been too hard on him. To be sure he has done some dumb things so far like playing Raja and CJ so much last year.
He is learning, and considering how his coaching career began, and then the lockout season/no offseason etc… with so many young players, I can see the wisdom in working them in slowly, and even Burks sitting it out.
There have been so many teams in NBA history with more than a couple high lotto picks on the floor … Take a look at the Wiz, the Kings, the Bobcats, so many t-wolves teams – like the ones that Corbin, Sidney Lowe and Randy Foye played on.
Almost all of these teams have thrust their high picks into huge roles right away. Typically they play on a dysfunctional team and inefficiently shoot the lights out due to playing time and immense talent… and the team goes on to lose most of their games and add another high lottery pick…and eventually those players find diminished roles on funtional teams, or sometimes they become the star of another team.
Given the history of first time NBA coaches with four lottery picks and zero all stars, I would argue that Corbin is doing a B+ job of developing and incorporating the youth into a competitive team.
I understand it’s hard to be objective, but if you can be, compare our talent to that of other teams… the Wizards have some good players, so do the Kings, the Cavs, the Cats, …I’m pretty sure that Popovich could get any of these teams into the playoffs.
Corbin is impressing more and more, he is growing as a coach and the team is looking better and better on both ends…we should cut him some slack, it could be way, way, way, way worse.
ps…DMC should be a starter.
Once again the talent that Corbin holds back and is blind too makes him look good. NO WAY am I cutting him any slack based off his previous, overwhelmingly stupid decisions he’s made. DMC is a hustler and plays his heart out, But is No starter. Marvin is way better but gets robbed his mins.
I am amazed at all the want to be coached that say what they would do never stop to think that just possibly that would not work. but it is a fantasy and so never has a chance to succeed or fail. hind sight is always perfect because it never takes place.
If you think Foye or Bell are NBA starting caliber guards then your not a good coach.
If you think certain players deserve preferential treatment because they remind you of them then you are not a good coach.
If you can not develop talent that we have and allow them to play you are not a good coach.
If Jacque Vaughn can coach the freakin Magic and be competitive with you and almost win on your home floor your not a good coach
The thing i get irked the most about is the offense going through Al. Its the mike brown-lebron james-cavaliers-offense, meaning get the ball to my best player, everyone else get out of the way, and let him do his thing.
The last two games Corbin has either made a great adjustment, or has emphasized the importance of ball movement. We’ve seen how good this team can actually be when everyone is involved.
I think Corbin can be a really good coach, he connects well with the players, but i hope that he remembers he’s a coach first and friend second. His job is to get each player playing his best, whether its teaching players certain things they need in order to improve, or putting guys in the best position to succeed(which i think is where he needs to improve the most).
Just like the rest of the team, Corbin is young and has a lot of real potential. Hopefully he makes just as much improvement as our young guys.
I could sleep if Watson get retired…
I dont understand how Corbin shows any potential. His play is basically chuck to Al and hope for the best. He never changes his game plan, no matter the match-ups or who is playing well. His idea of bringing through young players by giving the minutes they deserve to other players, is ridiculous. The talent that the Jazz possess on this roster means that they shouldnt lose games to the Hornets, Rockets, Kings or any other non-playoff teams. The defensive capabilities of this team are high with Favors, Kanter, Hayward, Carroll, Marvin Williams, yet they give up 120 against the rockets, 110 against the Lakers and even 99 against Toronto at home, Unacceptable for a team with 5 above average defenders. People can blame Al for his issues, but he doesnt call the plays. It all comes down to Corbin
C’mon disco!! He has potential because he’s been a headcoach now for 2 whole years… you think he’s a finished product already??? Coaches learn and grow just like players do, they arent a finished product after 2 years. If that was the case, there’d be coaching turnover every year. Do you think sloan started out a hall of famer??? No he got fired in chicago!! Doc rivers got fired in orlando before becoming a great coach in boston!!
I know were all frustrated with his coaching, but come on, lets be real here! If you think he has no potential to become a good coach your up in the night.
@Steve – Please tell me what shows potential. You can’t say that someone has potential without backing it up with something.
@disco… give me an example of backing it up with something. Potential is not backing it up with something, potential is projecting what someone can become. I feel Corbin can become a good coach. Like I said, corbin is not a finished product.
@ Steve the backing up is the million teams Corbin played for and the million years behind Sloan you would think he would pull someone out of the game for not hustling.
when he makes statements to the media of wanting a defensive tough team you better back it up. So far hes not even close. Many times he doesnt even pull a player out that is walking up and down the court. Thats unacceptable.
When Favors or Kanter have a matchup advantage on a player, dominating that player and he pulls them just to give Al or Millsap their royalty time? its bull!@#$% and unacceptable.
When when we win games to make the playoffs due to injuries and a forced lineup , maybe just maybe Ty’s original lineup could have been adjusted in the first place.
Kanter’s footwork in the post has caught up to NBA speed. He is dominating. Kanter is beating his man and taking a jump in his career on his own. Creating his OWN confidence. Ty has done nothing for his confidence in a crucial career moment.
A good coach would be giving Kanter the green light on offense in the post. Let him dominate and let the drive come out in him. His FG% in the paint and trips to the line really help the jazz.
@ Guido LOL. Nobody is saying much , but I completely agree with you. I was trying to figure it out last year. Why is he throwing up so many shot clock prayers and why is he NEVER driving to the paint.
Tinsley is probably less athletic than Earl but Jaamal gets the ball anywhere he wants to. So ive decided Earl sucks because he is a terrible ball handler. Not much dribbling involved in an alley oop.
I do not think that Corbin has done a good job sharing the minutes. Our young bigs are nearly as productive as our vets, yet they don’t get enough playing time to reach their potential.
Alright guys, question for ya: Who would you switch Corbin with? I mean, who is your ideal choice as our head coach? Who would you rather see on the bench??
@Steve – By your definition anybody apparently have potential as an NBA head coach. I have no evidence to suggest that’s true but you haven’t shared any of your evidence why its true about corbin.
@Adam – Monty Williams would be my pick as he isnt on big money at NO and is doing a good job with a limited roster
You can’t say that players like Favors and Kanter have developed in spite of Corbin … I would love to see them get more playing time because I like watching them play…
There have been so many very talented young players that got all the time and shots they could handle. In some cases they blossomed and in many cases they appeared to be a bust until halfway through their career when they leave and go to a decent system…
Both Kanter and Favors were very raw undeveloped players coming into the NBA, probably more than any other lotto pick in either draft…In fact that was the main red flag on both of them as draft picks.
For two super raw draft picks they are looking very developed these days… and that might have something to do with Corbin and his staff.
So… by pulling someone for not hustling, that is what shows potential as a coach? That is coaching? There is more to coaching then pulling someone or sitting someone for a lack of husle.
The defensive struggles i put more on the players. I can see the difference with Kanter and Favors on the floor rather than millsap and jefferson.
Lets not forget about last year we were picked as the worst team in the league by everybody! Corbin got us to the playoffs. The players put in the work but the coaches guide the ship and that ship made it to the playoffs.
@Jazzed: That´s right, nobody is saying how he sucked this team when he’s on court… right now he’s injured. problem? mr Corbin?
@Steve For real?? its not rocket science. Pull guys from the court giving no effort, talk to them about the strategy you want and send them back in.
@Steve – You still havent given any evidence to why Corbin has potential. If the Defence is the players fault why havent they been benched or given less time?