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Dwight to the Lakers
Posted by: Colten Davis on August 9th, 2012
The author's views are entirely his or her own and may not reflect the views of the Utah Jazz.Just when I thought I couldn’t hate any team more than I hate the Miami Heat, the Lakers go and pull some B.S. like this… Also Iggy to Denver?! Fml. And how bad of a deal did Orlando get? I didn’t think that “our” idea of Al/Sap for Dwight would’ve been enough, but they got completely screwed. Orlando will be one of the worst teams in the East this year. Maybe Stern will say “no dice”? What do you guys think.
P.s. It was nice to see some football tonight.
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The Lakers will never be worse than an 8th seed. Every time they start to decline or a player is aging they will just get a whole lot of something for nothing and become great again. If they were to add a star SF (maybe they’ll trade Matt “thuglife” Barnes for Kevin Durant or convince Rudy Gay to walk away from Memphis and sign with them), they’d have a complete hall of fame starting lineup. I KNEW the Lakers would get Dwight. How? Simply because that was the worst case scenario for us and the best case scenario for the Lakers. At least we’re more prepared for this steamroller than we would have been without Favors and Kanter. If we were to face them in the playoffs with little Al/Millsap starting against Dwight/Gasol, it would be a bloodbath.
Yeah this is bad, bad news. The Damn Lakers will be putting Nash, Bryant, Artest, Gasol, and Howard on the floor each game. Orlando got a terrible deal, I can’t see any reason for them doing this. The other two teams got better too, but man, the Damn Lakers could be extremely hard to beat after this
Competitive balance ………yeah right !!!
2012/2013 NBA Finals:
The Miami Heat vs. Lakers/Thunder
This kind of reminds me of the early 80’s when it was always the Lakers vs. the Celtics or Sixers.
why is everyone freaking out. Bynum and Howard are basically the same player. With this trade the Lakers got a little better defensively and worse offensively and they added the biggest headache to ever play in the nba.
The very best Jazz fans can hope for(or fans of any other team in the Western Conference)is second round elimination at the hands of the Lakers or Thunder.
If the Jazz can make it that far, fans really should treat it like winning a championship, since as Derek stated above, the current competitive balance of the league is a complete joke.
They might as well have an eight team league consisting of two teams in Los Angeles, two teams in New York, two teams in Texas, along with Miami, and Chicago. It seems like these are the only markets that the leagues current array of top talent wants to play in. I’m dead serious. The other 22 teams would be better off forming a seperate league entirely. Everyone would be on a much more level playing field, and it would be really fun to watch.
Maybe you could make it a ten team league, and throw in Boston and Houston.
Imagine a 20 team league of the Wolves, Blazers, Nuggets, Jazz, Thunder, Suns, Warriors, Kings, Hornets, Grizzlies, Bobcats, Wizards, Magic, Hawks, Pistons, Pacers, Bucks, Cavs, Sixers, and Raptors.
maybe you could throw in a couple more teams and have like 24 or 26 teams and let states like montana and south and north dakota and even road island. lol that would be awesome.
Let’s look at how many superstars are playing in either, Los Angeles, New York, Miami, or Texas:
Lebron James
Dwayne Wade
Chris Bosh
Ray Allen
Kobe Bryant
Steve Nash
Pau Gasol
Dwight Howard
Chris Paul
Blake Griffin
Deron Williams
Joe Johnson
Carmelo Anthony
Amare Stoudemire
Tyson Chandler
Tim Duncan
Manu Ginobili
Tony Parker
Dirk Nowitzki
Well if this happens which after LA got nixed by the league once I doubt it happens again. All I can say is this… CORBIN YOU GOT SOME WORK TO DO. You need Al playing defense first and stepping it up hugealong side Favors. Kanter and Milsap better learn to play really well together and its time we start running hard. With youth and depth we play hard defense, get fast break points, run our offense hard and teams like LA will still struggle. Hayward still shut down both Kobe and Durant so we got a guy that can stop them from exploding. Favors can guard the rim agains dwight and gasol and big al just needs to grow his game to be part of a team effort on both sides of the floor. This is going to come down to coaching, and Mike Brown didn’t show he could do very much of that. COrbin hasn’t either but its really going to be who can get a TEAM to play together at a high level. We can’t compete in a superstar game, we have to play as a team that beats superstars. The youngsters need to grow up fast and expect to win no matter who they play.
Dang!! I didn’t want the lakers to get dwight… thats part of why I wanted him so bad, just to stop LA from getting him and to create a tandem with favors. I HATE THE LAKERS and the big markets who get everything they want. I HATE BABY players demanding trades to big markets and controlling things. Isn’t making 19 mill a year enough?
Anyway I’m just whinning for a second,,, AHHHH
I’ve been feeling that way for the last couple of years as well, JMC.
There should be two leagues.
One league with 1 team from LA, 1 team from texas, 1 team from Florida, 1 team from New York, 1 team from Boston, and 1 team from Chicago.
It’d be a 6 team league, called the RAL (Rich A**hole League)and then the other 24 teams could actually play some fair and competetive basketball.
I bet the Lakers get sponsored by the US Department of Defense or some sh*t like that, while the Jazz gets sponsored by Utah Dairy Farmers’ Association.
Its good howard is traded this means all the players under him can start to be moved. Which means moves might be made for sap or al. And i agree with logan andrew and howard are simlar andrew can put more pionts up but howard is a major improvement or the defencsive side. Nash was a better move then picking up howard in my eyes. The thunder is still the team to beat in the west
Trades like this make me want to puke and stop being an NBA fan
Ha, the Lakers got Howard without giving up Gasol? This is insanity
I don’t care that the Lakers got Howard because personally, I think he is the most overrated player in the league. I have a theory that the only reason he shined in Orlando is because his strength is offensive rebounds and put backs, and the Magic took so many outside shots. In LA, they actually run an offense and they have better shooters. So we’ll see how he does when he actually has to create his shot. Nash will be his only saving grace.
The thing about this trade that pisses me off more than anything, is that the Lakers didn’t have to give up Gasol. Whenever the Jazz want to get talent, we have to give up all of our fan favorites (only exception being the Koufos for Al trade). The Lakers every coupld years trade their scrubs for Superstars. Obviously Bynum isn’t a scrub, but they SHOULD have had to give up him AND Gasol. Most teams have to endure a slight sting in order to attain something great. The Lakers never do. The Lakers are always gifted players by other stupid moronic teams who are willing to get fleeced. Now watch the Magic complain for the next decade about how good the stupid Lakers are as if it wasn’t their own dang fault.
I think the leage should say we will only approve this trade if gasol is sent to one of the other 3 teams such as philly Denver or Orlando preferbly Orlando or Philly. I do not want gasol in Denver with iggy. Does anybody think that the league will veto this trade?
I don’t understand all the fretting about this trade. In my view, this trade makes the Lakers easier to beat. Bynum was one of the centers in the league that was a real matchup nightmare for Jefferson. Dwight Howard may be better defensively, but he is very limited offensively. The Lakers will not have the same low post scoring capability that they had with Bynum. In addition, Howard has proven over the last two years to be just as much or a head-case prima dona as Bynum is. I would have rather it cost the Lakers Gasol and Bynum, but I still think picking up Howard doesn’t make them a better team, and if it does, it is only marginally.
The real problem with NBA trades like this is that teams like the Magic can pull off purposefully one-sided trades to try to be so awful that they get a guaranteed #1 pick. In my view, the bottom 10 teams should each have an equal shot at the #1 pick in the lottery.
YOU SNOOZE YOU LOSE!!!
How many trade scenarios had the Jazz and Iggy, Jazz and Dwight, those 2 players were ALWAYS available. I know everyone thinks KOC can do no wrong, but are you telling mw Jazz could put a better deal on the table?!! You lot are straight crazy if you think Orlando rejected a Jazz trade. KOC never even made a play. I dont even give me that “they wanted some of the core four,” BS!! Affalo and Harrington are the biggest names?! Jazz blew it, so we deserve the embarrassment at the hands of the Lakers. Al shot 29% against Bynum and Gasol, now imagine HOWARD and GASOL, id say about 20%, 4 rebounds, 1 assist, ZERO free throw attempts, 2 TO, 4 points in 38 minutes. And Nash 19 assists per game.
@Omar Maybe the Jazz didn’t want Iggy or Dwight. Did you ever consider that? Personally, I don’t think we need any more cancer in the locker room than Bell already brings.
@Jared The reason people are upset about this trade, is because the Lakers are always given ridiculously lopsided trades every decade so they remain competitors.
1960’s: Wilt Chamberlain
1970’s: Magic Johnson
1980’s: James Worthy and Byron Scott
1990’s: Kobe Bryant and Glen Rice
2000’s: Trevor Ariza and Pau Gasol
2010’s: Dwight Howard and Steve Nash
You say the Lakers will get weaker offensively with Dwight (which I agree with because he is overrated) but Nash will offset his lack of offense. Nash is a massive upgrade on offense over what they had last year.
Stern’s fine with this trade. The hornets have been sold. Lakers are better, not deep. Nash isnt going to put in that many minutes. Kobe’s minutes will also fade. Playing Dwight more will help Favors.
and damn Denver got an absolute steal
You are absolutely right Kevin, I didnt consider it….I keep making the mistake that Jazz want to win a championship and arent happen being mediocre.
But the snooze you lose comment extends beyond Iggy and Howard. I still think KOC blew heading into the draft, into FAcy. Jazz could have set up the franchise for the next 3 to 5 years by trading away A and Millsap, and in the process dump to useless players like Bell and Watson. And even during FAcy, KOC could have moved them and gotten assets and picks, AND even after that there was still a trade possibility with Iggy and Howard, and still NOTHING. We still have Al, we still have Millsap, we still have Bell, we still have Watson. And with them we couldn’t even win one game against the Spurs. Now KOC is better and now the Lakers look like killers. A few teams took gigantic steps and we took a step or two.
So basically Al is gonna 34 minutes, and Evans and Kanter will get DNPs, Watson and Bell will be getting 6M and talking up two roster spots for no value. We are going to give Millsap 30 minutes when hes leaving at years end. The offensive is going to stay iso based and shaped to Al, who is leaving a seasons end, and we picked up ZERO drafts pick and ZERO assest for any them! So ya, you snooze you lose!!!
Teams are not going to give up trade assets at the trade deadline when they can sign the players like Al and Millsap in free agency in like 5 months from them. Solo, Bell and Watson wouldnt net a a bag of chips. So we are stuck with this roster who in the past got killed by Lakers and Spurs in playoffs, will get annihilated by the teams now. Lakers, OKC, Spurs, Clippers. We wont even win a first round series and get swept by top 3 teams.
I’m glad we didnt get Howard, he would be in Utah for one year and all year long the talk would be where is Howard going to end up long term, knowing its wont be Utah.
People complain that Al gets too much of the ball, if Howard came in how would that change?
At least with Iggy we had a chance of keeping him.
So Omar……you didn’t get enough of superstars wanting to leave when we had Boozer and Deron? You legitimately think it would have been worth it to rent Howard for one year? He wouldn’t have resigned with us, or it would have made no sense for him to not sign with the Magic. People need to stop acting like we have the power to get anyone we want as long as KOC/Dennis Lindsey pick up the phone.
It doesn’t mean we don’t want a championship, it means you don’t understand how trades work. Howard would not have been okay with being traded to Utah.
uuuhhhgg….
@Kevin, I’m am going to try and be as clear as possible:
Did I or did I not write “Jazz should NOT ‘pursue’ Dwight,” because I remember writing that. I do not “WANT” Dwight, I just want to lose Al, Bell, and Watson ABOVE ALL!! Is that clear enough??? At this point I would take one 1st round pick for all three. I would not care if Dwight left at the end of the year, because Jazz are renting Al for the year. And that is not “speculation,” that is common sense: 2 of the core four will be due up to sign, so why would the Jazz want to keep Al at 16M over the next three years, when at year two, the OTHER 2 members of the core for are due up??? And that is not even including Millsap’s 10M over those same four years. Unless the Jazz don’t mind being over the cap by about 25M then sure keep them. I wanted a trade of Al, Watson, and Bell since the Jazz got swept, Dwight and Iggy were simply one of the last chances to trade Al, Bell, and Watson. AND did Dwight and Iggy get traded??? Well, look at that they did get traded!!!! It was never speculation, Dwight and Iggy were on the trading block, KOC should have jumped in to unload those three, since Dwight and Iggy were on the block. EVEN if we got neither, that was the opportunity to dump them. I wanted to move Al with the Joe Johnson trade (AND LET ME BE CLEAR BECAUSE SOME PEOPLE DO NOT UNDERSTAND: JAZZ TO BE PART OF THE TRADE, NOT TRADE TO GET JOE JOHNSON). And was Joe Johnson traded??? Yes he was. Forget about Dwight. This is more about dumping Al, Watson, and Bell: addition by subtraction. Now I am going to push for a Gasol for Al, Watson, and Bell. Not because there is a real chance, but because I think Al is extremely overrated by a lot of people on this site, and Lakers need expiring contracts.
Al getting 34 minutes per game will NEVER lead to a championship, so you Kevin obviously do not understand that. If you think that renting Al, and keeping Bell and Watson gives us more of a chance to win a championship than renting Dwight for a year……you’re the one with the inability to understand anything. Losing Al for a future picks takes the Jazz closer to the championship than keeping Al. So a traded for any active player while trading away Al is an upgrade. Dwight would have been an upgrade, if you can’t understand that, I really cannot do anything for you.
I think you are clearly letting emotion interfere with logic. Renting Al and Watson (as you say) will provide much less distractions than renting Dwight for a year. So yes, I would take Al and Watson over Dwight simply because of that reason alone. A LOT can be said of team chemistry.
If you didn’t want Dwight, then why are you all over the GM’s for not trading for him? I can see your point with Iggy but not Dwight. Don’t freak out about not getting Dwight just to turn around and say you don’t want him. You can’t take both approaches to try to win the same argument. You said the Jazz snoozed on the Dwight trade, and therefore they lost. But now you say you don’t want Dwight? So then how did the Jazz lose by not getting him? Is it because Al is still here? Well there’s 399 other NBA players to consider, so relax about Dwight not coming here.
@Kevin, This is copy and pasted from a post four post down from this one from yesterday, at around 3PM before Howard went to the Lakers…..
“First off, we need to be clear: I dont think Jazz should “pursue” Dwight, so in other words the mind set should NOT be “hey lets get Dwight no matter what.” No way!!
Jazz need to approach this like “hey, are we gonna pay Millsap 10M over 4 years to back up are franchise PF? Are we gonna pay Al minimum 16M over the next 4 years?” Remember 2 of the core four are due up in 2 years, so do we really want to commit 26+M to two players that really could not get the jazz one game in the playoffs? How are we going to resign the core four with half the cap committed to two players that Jazz dont need? Makes little sense.
Currently the Jazz have an additional 6M and two roster spots for two players that are, quite frankly, useless. So it is imperative that we move those two players and 6M, but no team is dumb enough to straight up trade for Watson or Bell, so we have to package them with Al and/or Millsap.
All the good deals are off the table. KOC really blew it there. Teams have already drafted, teams have already dumped salary, teams have already done sign and trades, teams have already signed all valuable FAs, so basically Jazz will get next to nothing for Al or Millsap. Teams are not going to trade assests for players the jazz clearly wont resign–Al and Millsap, when they could sign them straight up in July 2013. Jazz are going to have to sell low…..or find another team that is desperate. Howard was not thrilled by the new Magic GM and Coach Vaughn, so Howard ABSOLUTELY is on the block, so there is a trade to be made. Bynum STATED that he will not resign with Magic, Al and Millsap have NOT made a statement as such. There is at least a chance to resign Millsap and Al. Lakers young talent is trash and they have their picks going to Suns. Nets roster is locked. Mavs roster is locked. I dont see any other team that can put a deal up as good as Jazz. Magic would get young talent (Murphy and Carroll), expiring contracts (Bell and Watson), proven vets (Millsap and Al), draft picks (Utah Jazz 1st 2013), dump bad contracts (Richardson and Duhon), AND send Howard to a team not on his list. Its perfect for both sides.
FYI:
Vaughn was an assist coach when Dennis was assistant GM…….so.
Our new GM has ties to Orlandos new coach….make it happen.
Oh and Al is awful. Its funny how people are optimistic about Al a veteran of many years to improve, but scoff at the idea of 19 year old untapped potential in Kanter as not deserving PT and is a bust?! Hahaha. You guys are just in denial. Al is horrible defensively, Kanter is just inexperienced. Al quit on the team before the Spurs series was over, and he worse aganist the better teams in the league. He doesnt even deserve to start or get 20+ minutes, let alone an extension. Dennis got a first hand look at how underwhelming Al is, so I dont see a future for Al in Utah.”
the post is “TRADE FOR DWIGHT!!”
this is copy and pasted from a few comments above the this one….
“But the snooze you lose comment extends beyond Iggy and Howard. I still think KOC blew heading into the draft, into FAcy. Jazz could have set up the franchise for the next 3 to 5 years by trading away A and Millsap, and in the process dump to useless players like Bell and Watson. And even during FAcy, KOC could have moved them and gotten assets and picks, AND even after that there was still a trade possibility with Iggy and Howard, and still NOTHING. We still have Al, we still have Millsap, we still have Bell, we still have Watson. And with them we couldn’t even win one game against the Spurs. Now KOC is better and now the Lakers look like killers. A few teams took gigantic steps and we took a step or two.”
@Kevin Dwight was the last big trade the Jazz could have done, or at least piggy-backed to get some assets, but the Jazz stood back and did nothing. Think of it as a New Years Eve party, every has gotten dates, and we are at home with our dogs because we are holding out for a playboy playmate to ask to the party: we over value our assets and refuse and over sell. Its like people on craigslist that oversell cars that are junk, and turndown every offer because they think there junk has value. Like the show Hoarders, we keep every piece of junk because we think it will net us a ton of value some day, when it really won’t, so now we are stuck with useless junk like Bell, things no one cares for like Watson, and things that have value only to us like Al. Im like the grandson on those shows that wants to bring in a dozer and just trash everything.
We are trying to get rid of Bell, the buyout that isn’t working. Watson is is a backup point guard, why do we have to get rid of him. Why not let him ride the bench and push guys in practice. He has no value in the trade market. Al is a scorer, he helps our team. Did we make the playoffs? Yes, are we going to easily make the playoffs this year? yes. Al is an important part of the team, he is helping the development of our young guys and frankly I like the thought of him and favors starting and Millsap off the bench. Plus KOC would have made the deal if he could have, I’m sure he’s smarter than all of us so I’m trusting him and Dennis..
we dont have to get rid of watson. we should just never play him. i would have rather had michael stockton. From hearing Linseys philosophy of what he wants in a team, I dont see Al fitting well. If Millsap doesnt want to negotiate with the offer we had , then millsap will be gone too.
I do agree what good is the new CBA to keep all teams competative. That is not happening but the question I have is why do teams make trades like that to the very rich teams? This thinking of doing what the rich teams wants happen is going to ruin the NBA. The greed of the players and the bigger greed of the agents will cause the league to fold. Have you seen what some of the agents make?
This is what I envision for the league to grow and get better.
1. Cut the greed of the agents so they can only make some much not millions of players of all sports.
2. Cut the the salary down to 1/4 of what players are making now.
3. The owners are greedy also so they can cut the tickets to the games by 1/2 to 3/4 and the price of consissions byt 1/2. The owners do need to make money do keep the team going. The higher the price of the tickets goes fewer people can afford tickets to games.
3. By doing this the owners will make money (maybe not as much as they want to make), more people can afford the price of a ticket, and the players will still make a lot of money.