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Fashion Show and Fandom
Posted by: Diana on August 19th, 2010
The author's views are entirely his or her own and may not reflect the views of the Utah Jazz.Monday August 16th at the ESA Plaza is what the NBA should be all about. The attention shouldn’t be on players and owners in verbal wars. The attention shouldn’t be on a player’s trade demand because on one off year. The attention should be on the team and the community coming together.
A few thousand fans were gathered on Monday night for the unveiling of the Jazz’s new uniforms. The players were the models and the fans couldn’t be more excited.
Al Jefferson was cited as saying, wow this many fans comes out for this, I’m afraid for opening night. Jefferson received the most cheers from the crowd. The crowd excited for a new era of Utah Jazz basketball to begin.
Of course no where in the national media was this spectacular event covered. ESPN was too busy telling us about Lebron hating on the Cav’s owner and Melo ’s diss to Denver at his wedding.
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Great post. Nothing but truth Here.
I hate to break it to you, Diana, but ESPN did cover this. Take a look: http://espn.go.com/espn/page2/index?id=5470654
If you didn’t know, 3 teams changed jerseys the same day as us, with the fourth team coming up next week. Guess what? They actually praised us for our new jerseys. Here’s what they (writer Paul Lukas) said:
“Jazz: Yes, they should have changed the team name when they left New Orleans. We all know that. But the team name didn’t change back then, and it ain’t changing now. And once you accept that, it’s hard to argue with this redesign. Seriously, what’s not to like? The team name may be stupid, but this uniform is seriously good.”
On the article, they also gave two links to photos so people could view the jerseys:
http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4140/4900821677_0ffebdf257_o.png
http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4121/4900844413_c6042a0257_o.png
Thanks for posting this and for the picture, I wish I could have been there. It sounds like a great deal of fun. I appreciate your enthusiasm for the team and especially the players and your excitement about the upcoming season. My feelings are about the same.
Adam they covered our new uniforms but not the event. The event was what was special. Imagine if the Lakers had a fashion show like the Jazz did it would be all over sports center. the jazz’s event did not get mentioned on sports center. the clippers new unis did. The point of my article was the event was not covered. So your link really had no relevance to my post. Plus coverage on ESPN page 2 is not what I was talking about. but thanks anyways!
Deb sorry you had to miss out. It was way fun.
I also wish I could have been there. How was the Golden Griff?
@James- he was very entertaining him and Boler did a great job MCing together. I couldn’t believe what good shape he was in he looked like he could play if he wanted to.
It was such a fun event to hold us over during the off season. The Jazz are great about making fans feeling involved and planning nice events for us.
Thanks for the clarification on what you meant, Diana. Personally, I believe that there are some things that are covered on a national level and others that are better covered on a local level. Now I get bothered when ESPN doesn’t cover a cool local story about the Jazz or Cougars. I also get bothered when the local news doesn’t even touch some of huge sports stories out there. Then I realize that many times, not all, neither party are at fault. Now I think this event is something that gets Jazz fans all excited and pumped up, but fans of other NBA teams probably couldn’t care less. Thus this is a better story for the local news. Meanwhile, the national news does a good job of covering our changed jerseys, which is the part that other people care about. Now I don’t know if the Jazz were left off sportscenter late Monday night and Tuesday morning, I wasn’t watching, but I did catch that we were on their website. When I turned on the TV Tuesday afternoon they were rightfully covering Brett Favre’s return and press conference, which is something that even I, being a Jazz fan, would’ve rather been watching on ESPN than how our jerseys look.
I love this state. Did a post about it on Jazzbots a few months ago. This state is extremely passionate about their teams. I’m pretty sure only in utah would you get the type of party and turnout for the Jazz fashion show. This is a unique state and a unique fanbase. Love it.
Thanks Adam!!!! You sure have some great insight!!!!!! So glad you were able to find that riveting, and complete, coverage of the Jazz change in jerseys, not to mention the event!!!!! I can’t believe the Jazz get all that space on the ESPN 2 page!!!! I mean, it was almost an entire paragraph (most of which saying that the name “Jazz” is stupid)!!!! Do you teach classes on web-based research?!?! I could really use your help finding other local happenings on national news sites!!!
I hope the overuse of punctuation conveys my true thoughts. In any event, sarcasm does not easily show in a reply to a blog post, so I will say it so there is no confusion. I was, if you have not figured it out already, being quite sarcastic.
Not being sarcastic, I do think it is hilarious that your idea of “ESPN coverage” consists of an article by a relatively unknown “author” that talks briefly about the new clothing now worn by three teams. It was so brief, in fact, that you were able to easily copy and paste the ENTIRE section about the Jazz onto this board. I would call that, “Stunningly good coverage!” Sorry, that last sentence was sarcastic again.
I wish that I was not the person that you had to hear this from, but no one cares about where you think news should be reported. No one outside your immediate family.
Seriously though, the article was not about whether the jersey change made the national media. I believe that Diana – and correct me if I am wrong, Diana – was meaning to say that the event was an exiting and fun event that should be covered by national media to show how engaged and involved Jazz fans are when it comes to even a small change in the organization. This minor change caused thousands of fans to come together at the arena, not just on the internet, in support of their beloved franchise.
A little bit of hypocrisy — Why are you wasting everyone’s time and sever space with your idiotic tripe. Go find somewhere else to troll.
So I am not a complete hypocrite, I was actually at the event as well. It was a very creative way to unveil the new uniforms. It would have been so easy for the Jazz to just hold a press conference, but the organization obviously wanted to use it as another way to build a community feeling — something the Jazz is great at doing. I was amazed that, even with some technical difficulties with the microphones and cables, Boler was able to make it exciting when the banner came down.
Thanks again, Adam, for your contributions. I do have a question for you. How can you possibly be more interested in the return of Brett Farve? Come on, the guy is almost as bad as U2 when it comes to reunions!
Sorry, Diana, for such a long comment with so little relating to your post.
Wow, that was a little over the top, lou. At least 75% of your rant gets thrown out the window because Diana cleared up what she was talking about. So on Diana’s actual subject, like I said, I don’t think it was a huge national story for ESPN to cover a local Jazz party at the ESA where the new jerseys were unveiled. I don’t get why that opinion deems me hypocrite and an idiot.
Now in talking about a idiot, you look like the bigger one by saying, “(Brett Favre) is almost as bad as U2 when it comes to reunions.” First off, U2 isn’t an “it”. They are a “they”. Second, I am guessing that you haven’t watched or payed attention to the NFL in like 5-10 at least. Certainly not last year. Brett Favre had literally his best year of his career last season. He threw for 4,202 yards, 33 touchdowns, and 7 interceptions. He had a completion percentage of 68.4% and a passer rating of 107.2. All but one of those were a career high (yes, career low with the interception number. That didn’t include his rookie season when he didn’t play hardly). He led a very average Vikings team to a 12-4 record and a trip to the conference championship game. Now that’s what I call one horrible quarterback (yes, that was sarcastic). If that’s bad, please show me good. Yes, I would rather be watching news about him then news about the Jazz jerseys. I don’t really care what the Jazz are wearing when they play. I just enjoy seeing them play. I watch for the game, not the jersey.
Great job Diana! I wish we could’ve been there too. It really is wonderful when so many show up to support our team. In their post-walkway chats, both Ronnie Price and CJ Miles called the Jazz fans, “the best in the NBA.” Couldn’t agree more!
Deb- love the post!! It was a great night for Jazz Fans, Griffith, Bailey, Price, Jefferson, Millsap, CJ Miles and the coach. All made sure to spend lots of time visiting with fans. Great opportunity for fans to get to know their team.
The fashion Show was the icing on the cake, it was fun!
http://www.flickr.com/photos/jazzbotsfans/4900868686/
my bad I meant Diana, I’d just read Deb’s
Thanks for the help on proper use or pronouns, Adam! If you take a closer look, U2 is a band. A band is not a “they.” A band is an “it.” The same applies to the Utah Jazz. The Utah Jazz is an organization, and, therefore, an “it.” I do, however, think that using “it” to refer to a sports team sounds rather awkward, which is why most just revert back to poor English and call the Jazz, and other teams, “they.” I, personally, don’t like to use “they” in reference to an organization though, since an organization is clearly not a “they” and is in actuality an “it.” Instead, I prefer to just choose my words more carefully so I can avoid having douchebags “correct” me when I am correct already. Seriously though, thanks for the help! If you had not brought this up, you may have been mistaken forever!
It seems rather likely that you are, in fact, an idiot. If you read my comment a little more carefully, it should be obvious that I was referring to myself when I said that I was being a hypocrite. Again, it should be obvious, but here is what you missed — I said I was being a hypocrite because I said you were wasting time with your unhelpful comments. My post, however, was also unrelated to the article and quite long. Which, if you have some skill in deductive reasoning, should show you that I was a hypocrite for my comment regarding your comment being idiotic.
I am very happy that you are a fan of Farve. It is nice to see old guys who can still get around. Seriously though, he even did commercials with Best Buy making fun of the fact that he has waffled on his decision to return. I believe that these were done during a previous decision on whether or not to return to professional football. Do you like to listen to U2? Brett Farve does I bet. Is U2’s music worse now that it (the band) has been hanging around for 34 years?
If all you came to say was that ESPN should not cover small market news, and should instead cover news of a more national nature, thanks. It has been duly noted.
If you notice, there is currently a story (video) on the front page of nba.com about Jeremy Lin and how he spent some time in New York recently. Riveting AND nationally focused. He had a caricature of himself made and talked about being an Asian ball player. Sort of sounds like local news that should be targeted to Golden State fans, does it not? Especially since no one in the video recognized him as an NBA player (if you were wondering, the NBA is also an “it”). On espn.com, there is a story on Troy Murphy being excited to play for the Nets. A real story, not part of a paragraph. Did you know that the Nets were his favorite as a kid? I do! Is it possibly also news worthy, for either a website or television station, that a team had an event with “fashion show” to unveil its new uniforms instead of just doing a press conference and photo shoot? It is certainly not the norm. It certainly seems interesting enough to the general public to warrant reporting.
My previous comment was a little over-the-top. I am actually glad you noticed. I felt yours was so idiotic that you would, if no one corrected you, go throughout the rest of your life thinking others care about what is in your head. To be more clear — they (others in the world) do not care.
To the subject of the article, it is not surprising that the event was not covered. That is really because the Jazz are not typically considered for national news (as evidenced by moronic comments on this article). I like that Utah fans feel slighted by this type of oversight and take the energy into the arena to cheer on their team (using “their” in this case to refer to the fans…it should be obvious, but some appear to struggle with pronouns). It is what makes the ESA so difficult for other teams.
I think I will call you Mr. Lou from now on being that are obviously a high school English teacher. You want to argue pronouns? First off, don’t talk to me like I’m a second grader. I know my English. Now you may be right, but I was under the impression it was the other way around. When I think of the Jazz, I think of the group of people that are on the Jazz and I would consider them a they. Same with U2. U2 has people that are in it that I consider human beings and so I call them a they. Gerald, where are you when we need you?
Now if we can drop the stupid English argument and talk about sports on sports blog that would be great. I noticed that you may have been referring to yourself when you mentioned hypocrisy, but instead of being rude, I assumed you were talking about me since you probably had several reasons to call me a hypocrite. But since you brought it up, thanks for the second straight hypocritical comment. You really need to stop. Go to your room. Take a deep breath. Get calmed down. Then come back when you are ready to talk like a mature person who doesn’t get on and write a total of 16 paragraphs in two different comments that are doing nothing but insulting the other person. Then I will be open to discussing more of my opinions on the subject presented in this blog.
Oh, and by the way, I don’t really care what people think about my opinions. I give them anyway. Sure it is nice when someone agrees with me, but I certainly don’t go around thinking every single person is loving what I am saying. I’ve spent so much time recently with almost everyone disagreeing with what I think that I’ve become immune and it doesn’t bother me one way or the other. Having said that, Champ just created a Poll blog on this site with one of the questions being what people thought about what a few of us are doing on this site and half of the people told us to keep it up because they enjoy our comments. So there’s another foot in your mouth.
And come on Mr. Lou, I dare you to write one more 5+ paragraph comment on how stupid I am. This is getting quite comical to me. Thanks for the entertainment. (and no, that’s not sarcastic. That’s being dead serious)
Thanks Adam! Yes, you are right. I would like to argue pronouns with you. You seemed to have missed your part of the argument. Generally speaking, a person would follow up their comment after writing, “Wanna agues stuffs?” You forgot to add your argument. Unless, of course, your argument was that it is correct English to use incorrect English. So you know, that would actually be an incorrect assumption.
If it makes you feel any better, I was not talking to you like you were a second grader. I was writing to you as if you were a typically idiotic 17-21 year old. You may or may not have noticed, but the fact that you write something on the internet does not make that something factual. For example, you specifically stated that you know YOUR English. I would say that it is true, you do know your English. Your English would not actually be the same as English. Interestingly enough, that you were “under the impression that it was the other way around,” does not actually make it correct English. Would it make sense if I say that since I always think of an old girlfriend when I think of the Jazz, I will use the “she” as my pronoun of choice when describing the Jazz. That would, understandably, be linguistic chaos. An organization, like the Jazz or a band called U2, is a thing. Additionally, a thing like the Jazz or U2 (Walmart is another good example of an organization) is only a single thing, not a group. “They” is a pronoun to describe groups rather than individuals. It would be rather stupid to refer to a single person as “they.” Just as stupid is to refer to a single organization as “they.” So that you can understand my comment more easily, I will use “she” from now on when referencing the Jazz. Gerald, where are you? Adam really needs you for one reason or another. Apparently, Adam is unable to fend for itself.
So let us drop the English lesson as you suggest. That is so nice of you to give me so much leeway. It almost seemed like you had just misread my comment about hypocrisy, but I now understand that you were being characteristically kind and understanding. That is my mistake. I had thought that you had read so many other things incorrectly that you likely read the hypocrisy similarly wrong. I am glad that you admit that you were a hypocrite in several places. Funnily enough, your most recent comment did not have anything regarding the article. It seems that this would make it much worse than any other comments that did have related aspects. I have, as you suggest gone to my room. I also inhaled several deep breaths. I believe that I am sufficiently calm to make a rational comment on a sports blog. Let’s do this. You and me. We should have a mature conversation that does not exceed 16 paragraphs and does not ever insult any other persons. I hate to break it to you, Adam, but you wrote 10 “paragraphs” (excluding the ESPN quote). I do not know if you checked, but you were insulting in nine of those “paragraphs.” I put the word “paragraphs” in quotes because your paragraphs have little to no structure and virtually no coherent flow. Very similar, actually, to those in this comment. Your writing style is so nice, I decided to emulate it. Now that we have all that out of the way, I would like to openly discuss more of your important, and highly pertinent, opinions.
I do have to honestly commend you in one regard. It is big of you to recognize, and be alright with, never having anyone to agree with you. It is a lonely place to be, but you handle it well. It does not show in any of your writing. If it were to be causing adverse issues with your writing, you would likely be insulting and rude to blog posters without any reason, but I am sure that has not happened. I am not surprised that no one loves what you say, but it does surprise me that you are impervious to the accompanying sadness welling up inside your soul and spilling out through your comments. Hey Champ (Adam, is that a pet name you have given yourself?), that sounds like a really interesting poll. Did you use a representative sample, or were half of the people also forum trolls with poor English? Fortunately for me, I do enjoy the taste of feet.
I am glad you have a sense of humor. It comes out nicely in your writing.
In case you were wondering, that is five. Plus.
On a different subject, and since I have filled my quota of paragraphs describing your many attributes (an arrogant request to have made), I am excited to see how Jazz fans treat the new players in the first few games. She should be good this year, especially with Jefferson. He will be be more than a good replacement for Boozer, and She is lucky Boozer is gone. Jefferson is excited to play for She and excited about all the attention from She’s fans. It will be fun to see!
Diana, I missed some of the fashion show. Did She have players and Jazz dancers modeling the uniforms? Keep up the good articles!
Champ and I are different. When I talk about being alone in my opinions for the last few years it is because I went on an LDS mission to Texas, not because of my writing on the blogs. I have now written 11 paragraphs spaced over 5 comments. You’ve now done 24 over 3. That’s all I’m going to say to you this time because you are still way too riled up to have a conversation with. You’re acting way too immature and childish right now. Grow up. And thanks for making my day. Go ahead, do this again. I am still enjoying it.
Thanks for making sure I knew your religious affiliation! It is really quite important to this discussion. I feel as if you have gone and gotten your feelings hurt. That is unfortunate for you. Fortunate, however, is that I know that you went on an LDS mission. If I did not know that, I might have made the mistaken assumption that you hand NOT gone on an LDS mission. Interesting that I guessed accurately your age — you ARE an idiotic 17-21 year old. How could I have possibly known that? I did not realize the disparity in the number of paragraphs versus the number of comments! Where are the UtahJazz360 police! Gerald, Champ, Adam! Grab your badges and let’s go apprehend this fellow who has written far too many paragraphs per comment! It is significantly better to write correctly and use a single block of text for all thoughts posted in a comment. I sure am glad we have blog police. Otherwise these paragraphs could get way out of ontrol. Adam, what can we do about this? I have a suggestion. My suggestion is to get a few of us “good guys” together in a group so we can belittle others anonymously on the internet! If we can hijack this entire blog and turn it into our own private blog, we can more easily control what kind of posts people submit and comments they make. Unfortunately, we do not have any administrative access to the site. I believe we can make a strong case to the Utah Jazz organization (using the “she” pronoun so there is no confusion) that we are really the best people to put in charge of this site. I mean, who would be better to run the social media arm of a sports franchise than a handful of return missionaries who have been home for entire months?!? More important, as 17-21 year olds, we already know all there is to know about best practices for building community among fans and monetizing this relationship. Unfortunately, I will have to disguise my real age, and act like a ginormous douchbag, so others will not know the difference between myself and a real 17-21 year old. If this plan does not work, we can break into the ESA and steal the servers. Once we have it, and have sneaked it to a secure location in South Dakota, we can really put the squeeze on the ignorant masses that all too often post their inane mind vomit on these hallowed virtual pages. Rally yourselves Ger, Cha, and Ada! Let us go forth and execute this plan! On a side note, I have a plan that will make this site much better, so much better than it has been previously. We can copy another website so that we have no real competitive advantage or reason for being! Since I do not want to make a completely off-topic comment…the Jazz should test the feasibility of events like this during the season. It might be a good way to span the gaps between games.
Wow Lou. In you bio it says basketball fan so go be a basketball fan somewhere else as this is a site for Jazz fans. And Bret Favre did a commercial with Sears, not Best Buy proving your an idiot and don’t know what your talking about. You say your a basketball fan so you have no idea what Favre did last season so shut your mouth. And old man haha, Favre would dance circles around you at his age and is in better shape now then you’ll ever be in your life, trust me, I know because of your dumb comments.
Onto another example, Randy Couture (you don’t know who that is) was in his prime in his 40’s, again you would never know that. Randy you whip your butt in his 60’s. So stop with that Lou, be an English professor somewhere as no one gives a crap about what your saying.
And lastly in one form or another the jazz were covered and really who outside Jazz fans would care. ESPN is a business and they cover news that the nation wants to hear, not the Jazz getting a new uniform and the celebration to follow. In that sense I get why ESPN didn’t make it a bog story. There’s a lot more going on than that.
As Jazz fans we know this already. Coverage of the Jazz sucks, what’s new. Not covering a fashion show presented by the Jazz is no surprise. I would have been surprised if I saw it on ESPN. Great we got new uniforms, but it was also talked about before this post, by non Jazzbots. Again no one cares. So Lou thanks but no thanks basketball fan.
That last comment showed how much of an idiot you are Lou. Stop now, its not getting better for you. Go somewhere else basketball fan if your hurt. Go be a basketball fan on another site for basketball fans. Your spending your energy, which you don’t do much judging by your comments, defending someone you won’t back you up. Just wait and see Lou. Your be pathetic right now and showing your who you really are. A guy that doesn’t know much, let alone do much. Your in your 40’s and don’t know a thing about athletes and what they can do. You deprive yourself Lou.
HAHAHAHAHA! Adam, I’m sorry.
Champ, thanks for coming to Adam’s aid! He was really struggling. Were you able to convince me that you and she (adam) are different people? Thanks for correcting me on the commercial. I was horribly wrong there and it is obviously a terribly important point.
What, specifically, in my comments lead you to believe that Brett and Randy could run circles around me? I am dying to know so I don’t repeat my errors. Do you know who else could run circles around me? Again, I am dying to know so that I can give these individuals a wide berth if I ever run across them (well, not “run” but you get the point). Also, please enlighten me. Who is Randy and who is Brett? Are they politicians of some kind?
If no one other than Jazz fans was interested in Jazz-related news, why would there be a need for ESPN? ESPN is, as you say, a business that covers news that the nation wants to hear. ESPN is not, however, a “they.” You should read my previous comments on this. Adam was laboring under a similar delusion. You may need to read (re-read) the above comments as I gave reasons why this was not covered by national media as well as why that is one of the Jazz organization’s greatest strengths. I am sorry you missed those points in your haste to rescue your frightened buddy. As to why it was not a bog story, I have no idea.
Are you not a fan of basketball? It stands to reason that a fan of basketball could also be a fan of a particular team even if a team has never been mentioned.
In all seriousness, why are you upset that this topic has been discussed before? Is that not the nature of a blog/forum? Why would I care that it has been done by a non-Jazzbot (you forgot to hyphenate this in your comment, but I assume it was to make sure the text would wrap nicely)? Along these same lines, what is a non-Jazzbot? For that matter, what is a Jazzbot and why would I care about any difference between the two?
Yeah, the Jazz don’t get covered nationally. Big whoop. I’m used to that. Guess what? I don’t hear all the small details about teams like the Bucks or the Grizzlies or any other team for that matter. And guess what? I don’t care! It also doesn’t bother me that no one knows all the details about the Jazz. I know them. Other Jazz fans know them. That’s all that really matters.
And on your most recent comment, first off, it’s not the amount of paragraphs that bother me. It’s the ridiculously long length of your comments that are only solely intended to beat me down. Second, congrats to you! You got my age. Barely, though. In a few months I will be out of that age range, so you would be better off saying 21-25. Oh but wait. That doesn’t sound as good. That age range is quite intelligent. Generally speaking anyway. And also, to completely destroy your most recent comment, I am the only one that qualifies in that range. No, I didn’t go out and grab two of my buddies to take over a Jazz website. Champ and Gerald are both from California and are in their later 20’s, I believe. I’m the only recently returned missionary off at BYU. Sorry.
Geri,
You are so kind to offer your apologies to Adam. She was really having a difficult time here. Unfortunately, we had to have a long discussion about pronouns and other non-basketball related items. It was quite tedious. If only you would have been here, we could have narrowly escaped those heinous errors. There would also be no need for your apology. Better late than never though. Thanks!
lou
In my last post, the references to your most recent comment was your third comment. You posted another one while I was typing.
@Gerald- Thanks for the condolences. This has actually been quite amusing seeing how dense this guy is.
Whew! I almost missed your age! You will have to let me know when you do become that older, wiser, more mature age of 22.
I apologize Adam. When I said you went and “grabbed” your buddies, I did not actually mean that you physically reached out and held them with your hand. More to the point, had I known they were from California, I would have left them out entirely! I would not have gone to a different blog post to rally them as I so clearly did! But they are from California, which does make them more important. Especially since they are in their late twenties. Amazing, really, that you, an unimportant Utah resident who cannot find a soul that agrees with him, also knows not one, but two people who are from California AND in their late twenties. I am awestruck. I am speechless. I am without speech.
I gathered which comment you were referring to as it was the comment you posted that commented on my comments and number of paragraphs. Thanks for the update though! It was quite helpful!
Lou, stop. Honestly, what are you trying to accomplish, now? We could be having a great conversation about “Fashion show and fandom” but instead we have to fend of a boneheaded idiot who thinks he’s all smart.
Ok, first off Lou, you said “exiting” when you probably meant “exciting.” If you are going to correct someone about their writing skills, check yourself first.
Secondly, you saying Adam is “trolling” even though he thanked Diana for the clarification.
Now third from what I have read so far, there is a big argument about this phrase, “Come on, the guy is almost as bad as U2 when it comes to reunions!”
First of, U2 is a “they.” As even though they are a band, it is only them. You can say something like the “Jazz” as an it because it can be thought of as an organization. In that it can be considered in SOME aspects as an “non-personal” noun, because the people have the aspect of change. U2 doesn’t change people. Now in most cases with any organization that mainly involves human components (or maybe the word “elements” would better suit my expressing) then we are talking about personal nouns. Or proper nouns of personal characterization.
But the biggest thing about the word “it” in this phrase “Come on, the guy is almost as bad as U2 when it comes to reunions,” is that “it” is the SITUATION. NOTHING TO DO WITH IDENTIFYING U2. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
Do your research Lou, your obviously on the internet. Look at the pictures of Randy and Bret and stay clear. Even more so, stay clear from the vast majority of people as you say Bret is “old.” If he’s old and can run circles around you, then most can.
Again basketball fan, you not knowing what a Jazzbot is just proves that. Look it up, then go to another site for the casual basketball fan.
Also ESPN decided the Jazz uniforms wasn’t news the nation wanted. Not all news is covered in National news, Lou, just the ones people want to hear about. And I don’t get upset about repetitive blogs, I call them out. If they would take the time to read other posts instead of wanting to steal the thunder then there wouldn’t be an issue.
Oh yeah, empower yourself Lou and do your research. Answer your own questions, as stated earlier.
Champ, I was not paying much attention to your comments and missed one. I promise, had I known previously that you were from California, and have extraordinary skills in deduction, I would not have been so cavalier (and yes, that is more than a basketball team name).
I appreciate your skillful assessment of of my knowledge and ability. Without your insights, I would have, like Adam, gone through life (all 40+ years of it) without knowing what you, a California resident AND person of late twenties age, knows about me! It is a horrible thought, but one I can live with now that I know. Thanks again!
Adam,
Yes, you are correct. Before I got here, you were having a wonderful conversation about fashion shows! Thanks for the good thoughts! It sure is a good thing you and your buddies that you grabbed, not literally of course, are able to fend of a bonehead!
lou
It’s obvious that you haven’t been to this site very long at all. You don’t even know what a Jazzbot is. Do us a favor and exit as fast as you entered.
And even though it wasn’t a huge national story at all, they still made an article about the changed jerseys in the NBA and thought ours was good. They even got photos from the event.
The conversation would’ve gone in a much more positive way if you would’ve just kept your mouth shut.
Thanks Geri! I did mean exciting, thanks for the correction!
I was the one that wrote the original sentence in question about U2. I did, and do, know that the “it” referred to the situation. I share your humor in that “NOTHING TO DO WITH IDENTIFYING U2. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA” was exactly what I thought! We should continue to point this out to Adam as I am not sure it has stuck in his pre-late twenties brain.
As for the pronoun to use, U2 is a band. It is comprised of people. Those people can be referred to collectively as they, but the band itself is actually not a they. If you meant multiple bands, they could be referred to as “they” as I have just demonstrated.
Thanks for your comments!
you’re the third newest member on this site, lou. You probably just signed up today. The first thing you do is give the longest bashing comment in the history of the site and continue to continue this stupid argument while making irrational statements every time you type a sentence. Shows how much class you have. Zero.
Now stop. Don’t make another comment on this site again. Just do yourself a favor and leave.
Champ,
Do you call out repetitive comments as well or only repetitive blog posts? As I stated earlier, you probably should do your own “research” by reading my above comments. Only then will you find that you are mistakenly “arguing” with me about what should and should not be considered newsworthy for the nation. As I am not interested in being repetitive, I will not repeat myself.
As I understand “repetitive” as a word, it would mean something is done again. Typically meaning the same thing is done again. I have not seen a previous blog post about the fashion show. Did I miss something or was the previous post about the new uniforms and this post about the event put on by the Jazz organization?
Thanks Champ for helping me to understand the value of research. It appears that Jazzbots, based on my research, are the Jazz organizations hired bloggers. These individuals appear to be officially supported by the Jazz, though their comments always reflect the opinion of the writer and not the Jazz. According to my research, some of these Jazzbots have administrative power on this site and are moderators of the comments. My research also suggests that you, Geri, and Adam do not have this power however badly you may wish that you did.
Again thanks for your help! I now understand the nature of the object lodged so deeply in your anus.
lou
Lou Lou Lou, I was right about your age and therefore my other thoughts of you. With that I sincerely apologize as you are older and I respect the elders. Your efforts have come with no appreciation, and you will see that. I’m sure you know Adam speaks his mind (harsh at times) and tells it like it is. We all know that now, but its not personal, it builds character in those that don’t get criticized and allows them to think.
You are not the first and won’t be the last to get into it with one of us or others for that matter. I respect you for speaking up as I respect the others. You spoke your mind and I hope you finally vented after putting up with us. Bottom line is we spoke our minds and move on, agreeing to disagree.
You came off strong at Adam, but so do I and so does he. I don’t blame for you for that even though you’re taking it father than Adam ever has (saying she referring to Adam). That’s not right, I respect another man and wouldn’t go there unless I got balls enough to say it in his face. I’m good here and done with this Lou.
Adam,
Thanks for the suggestions! I will likely not be leaving this site any time in the near future. Unless, of course, if you count the morning as the “near future” as I will most definitely be leaving this site in the morning. I will also, however, be back, so I am not sure if that satisfies the favor you were hoping I might do for myself.
I do recall, as I have the memory of an aged 40+ year old, the article you quoted. It was quite nice. You have also, like Champ, seem to have missed, or misread, my comments. You can call it homework, if it makes you feel better (especially since I am a high school English teacher), but you should reread my comments so you can more accurately “fend of a bonehead idiot.”
Thanks for checking my stats! I actually did not know, being the third newest member of this site, that stats were kept on length of bashing! That is fantastic news as I plan on quite a long career of bashing. I hope to one day reign supreme above all other bashers (it sounds as if I already do)!
When will you become a Jazzbot? It seems that the Jazz have picked the best and brightest, based on my aforementioned research, through a annual application and interview process, to write on all matters Jazz. As you are clearly a skilled writer, you may have some interest in becoming a Jazzbot. It would also allow you to maintain your narcissism as you would be able to easily lord your position over the filthy rabble of non-Jazzbot writers. However, if you do this, you may find that you do not fit in well with, and be ostracized from, the rest of the Jazzbots as they do not seem to maintain this attitude. Conversely, it may serve to alleviate your fears of failure and need to ridicule if you became a Jazzbot.
Thanks,
lou
Lou, I know you wrote that sentence. And no you didn’t know that the “it” referred to the situation or you would have corrected Adam on it. The biggest correction to Adam was this part that you wrote, ‘Thanks for the help on proper use or pronouns, Adam! If you take a closer look, U2 is a band. A band is not a “they.” A band is an “it.” The same applies to the Utah Jazz. The Utah Jazz is an organization, and, therefore, an “it.” I do, however, think that using “it” to refer to a sports team sounds rather awkward, which is why most just revert back to poor English and call the Jazz, and other teams, “they.” I, personally, don’t like to use “they” in reference to an organization though, since an organization is clearly not a “they” and is in actuality an “it.” Instead, I prefer to just choose my words more carefully so I can avoid having douchebags “correct” me when I am correct already.’
Nothing in your statement about “it” being the situation. Now not only that, I went through and read all the rest about the “English lesson,” parts and what did I find? Well I didn’t find you talking about “it” being the situation.
Now regardless, you and Adam were both wrong, but you trying to take something that I pointed out and saying that you knew before, BS! Also, even if you are a basketball fan, Jazz fan, you are trolling. So don’t call Adam the hypocrite and then accuse him of trolling. I have just pointed out a couple of times that you have shown hypocritical nature.
U2 can be used with the word “they.” Heck, even your example of “Walmart” in concept of the singular store could be used with the word “they” when you are directly talking about the people. Even inanimate objects can be used with the word “they” even though “those” is commonly used. “You see the bells? Those go on the shelves in the back of the store.” Also correct, “You see the bells? They go on the shelves in the back of the store.” This is what is known as “personification.” (Or similar pronouns to do such of the same actions.) You touched on about it, but you said it was for plural purposes. Plurals dictate the type pronoun, but it is not specific for the use of personified nouns.
Now another big thing I want to point out is you said ” I do, however, think that using “it” to refer to a sports team sounds rather awkward, which is why most just revert back to poor English and call the Jazz.” This isn’t poor English. When you refer to the organization, it is not of a person. Now when you refer to the players of the Jazz, they are people. See there. I used “it” and “they” correctly and both referring to the Jazz.
As another example. “Look at U2. They play awesome music.” In no way is “Look at U2. It plays awesome music.” You are leaving out the human element when you are supposed to be identifying it.
I have my cerification in teaching English to foreigners. I’m confident I know what I’m talking about.
Diana: Since I already commented on this blog, I hope it is OK if I comment on the comments.
Lou: Thanks for your attempts to help our “Big 3″ or “Three Musketeers” as they call themselves see that their insistance on being the police of this site is a big part of the reason they feel like no one agrees with them, to quote Adam “I’ve spent so much time recently with almost everyone disagreeing with what I think that I’ve become immune and it doesn’t bother me one way or the other.” I don’t think you will find much success helping them see this.
Adam: If the perceived disagreements with you do not bother you, why mention them? My only other question is why do you think mentioning you are a 21 year returned LDS missionary who served in Texas or the fact I am a fifty year old married woman (as you revealed in a blog several days ago)is relevent to anything on this site? Or that anyone cares?
Champ: You’re is the abreviation for you are and it’s is the abreviation for it is. And speaking of English, I am not sure what the following sentences even mean, but I am pretty sure they are not complete sentences, “Your spending your energy, which you don’t do much judging by your comments, defending someone you won’t back you up. Just wait and see Lou. Your be pathetic right now and showing your who you really are.
I would be perfectly happy if we all just agree to disagree on many subjects, as long as no one believes they know what is best for everyone else.
Before I call it a night, I want to seriously thank Ger, that made sense. Thought I was well versed in English, but hey I learn something new everyday. @ Adam I hope Lou settles down and I think in a way he’s like us, speaking his mind. I can look past that. @ Lou I hope your good, and I respect you as a teacher.
Champ,
Thanks for understanding. I am, again, in awe at your skill in reasoning and logic! I cannot fathom how you, deducing only my age, were able to lead that directly to everything else you thought is true. Amazing! Have you considered taking this skill to market?
Adam does speak his mind. Clearly his mind is not always even marginally close to fact. It is also not generally considered an admirable quality to always speak one’s mind regardless of the harsh nature of the comments or any person that may be hurt by the comment. Adam does not, however, “tell it like it is.” Adam frequently does tell it like he sees it, but that is drastically different than it “is” in that he sees it based on an accumulated 21 years (nearly 22!) of experiences that all color in some way or another his perception of reality. You as well, and even I – yes, amazing but I do, see our own reality based on our perception. It seems silly, based on this, that we then belittle others based on writing similar, though possibly distinct in the eyes of the writer, blog posts!
You have noticed that I am not the first, nor will be the last, to “get into it” with you or the others (are these the same others as seen on Lost, the television program?). You may look into the implications of this. Prior to this comment, I would have believed that you thought that your reality was the only reality that existed for all. This, however, leads me to think that you may notice that the problem does not lie with those who “get into it” but more with those who are being “got into.” You are right, you and the others (including Adam and Gerald) are the people with and causing the problem as evidenced by the fact that you are the individuals at the center of all the “getting into.”
If Adam has built any character from this harsh reality (as opposed to providing a brave cover for his sever insecurities), Adam should have no issues whatsoever with my using whatever pronoun I choose. This is especially true considering that Adam is perfectly happy to use his/her/its own English wherein pronouns can be used interchangeably.
I do wish that I had the same level of clairvoyance that you enjoy. It would be so nice to guess, no to know, the ages and therefore all else about individuals met on the internet and other media (including face to face!). I would prefer that I would have an accurate version of that insight, but I assume you are happy with what you can get.
Seriously thanks! I really appreciate that you are agreeing to disagree. I am still unsure that you read my original few comments.
Thanks again for all your help!
lou
Ok I’m not out yet, Deb. If I really wanted to take my time and structure (correct) my sentences I would. I won’t even go into education and accomplishments regarding this as you’re trying to point out (it’s pathetic). It’s ridiculous to go over this, as you are my elder as I see, I respect you.
Your comments on the other hand was a lie and you need to do some research. If you saw my most recent post you would see quite a few on this site do agree with us. So what? you’re wrong, answer up on that. Why don’t you actually go to that post or others, Jazzbot. And you only spoke up because I said no one would, haha good one.
Deb, the biggest difference between Adam, Champ, myself or any others that might do those actions, is that Lou attacked Adam, (and myself by calling me Geri) personally. Not the posts because of some disagreement or something incorrect. I have seen Adam, myself and others attack personally but never first. Only after we were attacked personally. Even then I think we did a pretty good job of not attacking Lou personally even after his continued attempts.
Geri,
I am so glad that you, a certified ESL instructor, are able to help us all out. You have, however, missed what was said previously. You have taken “it” from the wrong sentence. My comment regarding pronouns came directly from this statement by Adam -
‘First off, U2 isn’t an “it”. They are a “they”’
U2 is an it. You can, as you say, refer to the band members as a they, but you cannot refer to the band itself as they as a band is not they. With respect to Walmart, you are correct. You can refer to the employees of a singular store as they, but you can do that because you are talking about employees, not about Walmart. You cannot say, “I like to go to the L.A. Walmart. They are my favorite store.” I think it is obvious why.
“Now when you refer to the players of the Jazz, they are people. See there. I used “it” and “they” correctly and both referring to the Jazz.”
Congratulations, you used correct English. Not to be confused with Adam’s English, correct English can use “they” even in the same sentence as the word Jazz. In your sentence, “they” clearly is used in place of “players.” Another part of the sentence, “of the Jazz” tells you a little more about those players, but “players” is what you are replacing. Not “Jazz.” The same principle applies to U2. The musicians themselves are “they.” The band is not a “they.” Try replacing the pronoun with the original word when you get stuck. “U2 is teh haxorz!” sounds fine. “They is teh haxorz!” Not so fine. Similarly, “They are the coolest!” Sounds fantastic, but “U2 are the coolest” is clearly wrong.
I am sure glad that our foreigners English skills are in good hands! I trust that you will do a little research so you can stop filling their (the foreigners’) heads with nonsense.
As to Adam being called a hypocrite, you may have missed something there as well. I would advise that you reread those comments. Adam was trolling and was off-topic. I was also, and therefore also a hypocrite.
Thanks for all you have brought to the table. It may make sense in the future to, on occasion, decide first why your friend is asking for your help before diving headlong into an argument that you do not completely follow.
Thanks again!
lou
Lou, I’ve read your comments and are taking them as I see it. Now that doesn’t mean what I think is correct as to what you meant, but this is getting no where. Like I said you won’t be the last to get into it with us. You’re right about me not knowing you but it’s how I’m seeing you based on your comments of Favre. If I’m wrong say so and I will change my thoughts of you.
Deb, one more thing, if your calling me out on my errors then you should seriously look at others. Anyone else that has made mistakes or just have poor grammar just know Deb looks down on us. She’s above us in that and needs to point it out. I know you feel your better than others, Jazzbot, but your not. Go read other posts and call others out, Deb. Oh wait you won’t do that, its not worth your time to visit other posts. You won’t “correct” others, thanks for giving me special attention.
Deb,
Only one word accurately describes your comment: Hilarious!
I had brushed off the continued improper use of you’re and your thinking that I cannot fight against all sins against humanity. Particularly fun is the following sentence from Champ’s rebuttal: “Your comments on the other hand was a lie and you need to do some research.”
How is it that “comments” and “was” are both being used here? Priceless in that it occurred in the “If I really wanted to take my time and structure (correct) my sentences I would.” comment.
lou
Geri,
I did attack Adam. Of course, Adam had previously made a an idiotic comment that some might call an attack. “I hate to break it to you, Diana, but ESPN did cover this. Take a look: http://espn.go.com/espn/page2/index?id=5470654
If you didn’t know, 3 teams changed jerseys the same day as us, with the fourth team coming up next week. Guess what?”
Not exactly a nice way to write anything. Now, I know, Adam calls them as he sees them, but come one now. If you do not want to be treated like an idiotic douche, do not act like one.
You, Geri, did get pulled in possibly without much intent, but Adam did summon you from another thread, so I would hardly say that you involvement here was merely by chance though you may want to pretend it is just that.
As it seems to me, you and yours have made a continuous attempt on this site to attack and harass Jazzbots, in some instances even calling them not by name, but by Jazzbot. Again, I would hardly say that my comments were unwarranted and you, innocent. It was a good try, but I do not think anyone here would buy that story.
lou
I’m glad you and Deb are having fun Lou. Being good at something is awesome. In your case its the English language. Good for you, I’m sure you would be made a fool at anything else. Being in your 40’s, I’m glad you got it right.
Simply put Lou, English is all you have and that pathetic. I’m sure, with no need to prove it, I would school you in anything else. Of course anything that requires some sort of talent and maybe movement. I could spend the next ten years perfecting the language as you have, but again its pathetic. I would end up like you. And the thought of you right now is disgusting. Go do something with yourself and get back to me with more accomplishments, other than that one.
Thanks
Lou….I was tracking the correct “it.” This statement ‘First off, U2 isn’t an “it”. They are a “they”’ is an attempted correction by Adam from what you said before. Then it leads to your statement, and attempted correction in which I put in my last comment.
(Regardless, if you want to say that I used correct English when I referred to the Jazz, the same information and context applies to U2 as well. Unless you are talking about the planes. Though you weren’t.)
Maybe you should learn to track details a little better, especially when you are the one directly involved.
Also, your example ‘ “U2 is teh haxorz!” sounds fine. “They is teh haxorz!” Not so fine. Similarly, “They are the coolest!” Sounds fantastic, but “U2 are the coolest” is clearly wrong.’ You are trying to prove a point but are violating the subject/verb agreement. You are supposed to change the verb when you change the noun. Even when you change it to a pronoun that can correctly identify the original noun.
Furthermore, “Adam was trolling and was off-topic. I was also, and therefore also a hypocrite.” That’s what I was saying. Again another example of how you possibly fail to track detail?
As well as, “”As to Adam being called a hypocrite, you may have missed something there as well. I would advise that you reread those comments.” And, “decide first why your friend is asking for your help before diving headlong into an argument that you do not completely follow.” I completely followed everything. I can clearly read, and well at that.
And lastly, “I am sure glad that our foreigners English skills are in good hands! I trust that you will do a little research so you can stop filling their (the foreigners’) heads with nonsense.” I just hope I don’t have to get people that have gone through you first, so I don’t end up having to fix all the messed up things that they picked up.
Champ,
I actually hate Farve. Dislike or hate me all you want. I am sure that I do not care either way. Farve is old. Farve is tired. Farve may have more left in him, but at some point a person should decide to quite or remain in the game until death. Farve cannot get off that fence, and for that, I hate him. That and the fact that he is old.
I do not know Deb, but it does seem that you and Deb have a history. It also seems that you think you are quite the bad hombre. It could be that, coupled with the near constant attacks on Deb and other Jazzbots that makes her feel required to correct you.
To be fair, your writing is horrendous.
lou
Champ,
Thanks again for helping me understand my talents! Your skills are amazing! Really, really helpful. Thanks!
lou
Lou…my involvement isn’t by chance. I never said anything about that (or much denied it.) Also Adam didn’t summon me from another thread. If he did, I didn’t see it. I know he did it for Champ.
Regardless of how you “interpreted” how rude Adam’s comment was. (Also kind of going with getting on to Champ about his assumptions towards you. If he is wrong, than you are wrong.) He only mentioned the information. Nothing about her personally. Separation of points.
(From my OPINION, you really are bad at tracking detail, and analyzation of information in respect to me.)
Also, “so I would hardly say that you involvement here was merely by chance.” It would by “your” not “you.” If you are going to sit there and correct someone such as myself, Adam, or Champ about things like that, you should make sure your ship is tight.
Lou I will continue this tomorrow, hopefully, as I have things to do today. So please come back here later tonight. If the school schedule there is similar to California’s, then you are on summer break. Go accomplish something today other than your only skill of the English language.
You proved you are second best to Ger in that aspect. Still second best is ahead of the rest of us. I will give you that, but it’s not impressive. What else can you do? What other talents do you have? Get to me on that because I honestly believe your living pathetically right now and that’s all you have in your life to make you feel good.
*should be “then” not “than” for “than you are wrong.” That goes for my last comment.*
Geri,
You, like Champ, are amazing in that your brainpower far surpasses mere mortals. I am so glad that you are now on board with the correct starting point for the “it” issue (not my proper use, but rather improper correction). You can then see why it was idiotic to begin with as U2, as a band is an “it” with members (they).
You did use correct English in your sentence. Unfortunately, you did not read very carefully. You were correct because you said the “players of the Jazz” could be replaced with “they.” Obviously you would agree this is far different from saying that the Jazz could be replaced with “they.” I am glad we are finally on the same page as that discussion was tedious.
You obviously did not follow the discussion very well or you would have seen Adam’s idiocy and fallacies.
I am still nervous about incoming foreigners. They will, it seems, be having trouble with English as long as they are taught what you previously posted. If you follow my notes, or any standard guide, they should be fine.
lou
Geri, thanks for the help. My ship is not tight, as you have noticed. I do miss an occasional word. There is a big difference between a few typos and horrendous misuse of the English language.
I honestly do not understand, possibly you are just very dense, why you are continuing to attack me, and my English, when your friends have done the same to myself and others. You, as a teacher of language, should be interested in not looking like an idiot by association.
Also, I do very much appreciate your correction to “then.” It is often misused, but an obvious typo.
Champ,
Thanks again for your assessment of my life! you sure are good at giving those out! I suppose, when you have little creative thought, you must resort to something. A good default, though widely used, is to inslut unknown aspects of a person. I hope it works better for you in the future.
I am not sure what you are referring to about school schedule. I thought I was 40+ years old. Why would I be in school?
Regards,
lou
Lou, you weren’t “on board” with anything until after I pointed it out. Also, I did read carefully, but I choose not to go into detail about Adam. I said he was wrong. He doesn’t need anything else from me. (I guess you didn’t track that detail about saying he was wrong either.)
You can replace U2 with “they.” U2 is a “group” even though it can be a concept of a singular unit. It’s like the word “you” which is singular and plural DEPENDING on how it is used. This has the same rules as I’ll point out in my next paragraph.
I don’t agree that it is far different. “The Jazz are awesome.” Also, “They are awesome.” Both of those are correct sentences. It’s called “inference.” Another skill it seems you possibly lack. (Also being unable to identify inference.) Are you inferring to the organization when you say “Jazz,” or are you inferring to the players? (That question was rhetorical.) That is the difference and determining factor of whether to use “it” or a personified pronoun.
As for your “improper correction” that’s what I was on the whole time. If you want to correct someone, correct them correctly and about the correct item.
And I’m still nervous about American students, especially if you instruct them as you attempt to give examples here on this post. That’s a shame that American students are becoming even more illiterate.
Dude, don’t even attempt to compare brainpans with me. You are not even close to being in my league. You are far below. And at 40+? That’s another shame. Shouldn’t you be close or above me? Oh I momentarily forgot that age doesn’t determine intelligence. But isn’t it supposed to help determine wisdom? Right, I have that over you as well.
I’m going to sleep now. Or I will attempt to.
Oh, P.S. Diana, I think you might have an awesome post here. I love the picture
*chose, not choose*
I never heard anything from you, Diana, due to the massive hijack of your blog. Sorry about that and for engaging individuals in conversation who are better left to themselves. I will ask again my question that was undoubtedly lost somewhere above.
I missed some of the show. Did the Jazz players and Jazz dancers all model the new uniforms or was it just the players? I noticed that Bear had some new duds, but I did not see him on the catwalk.
well, after reading the back and forth from champ, adam and company; I’d like my 5-minutes back please.
good post, I missed the event due to another calling that evening.
I liked how stoked Al Jefferson seemed to be on the catwalk (on the catwalk ya, he did a little turn on the catwalk -sorry I blame the 90’s for that stupid song).
JC, I agree. These comments have been horribly off-topic and rude, not to mention wasteful of every reader’s time. It does seem that this is the norm, rather than the exception, when it comes to these three individuals.
As this is the case, I have taken the liberty of constructing a new playground for these as well as all other trolls. More specifically, I have created a place where Geri, Champs, and Adam can be together in blissful, trolling harmony (if trolls can ever be harmonious). Please, feel free to troll this new location to your heart’s content. You will also be responsible for completing the site. I have merely provided a skeleton and something to get you started. If you would like admin rights, please let me know. I created a new email account for the site, gerchadam@gmail.com. I will happily pm the password to any/all of the three of you or add you each as collaborators (or owners) on the site. Whatever your preference, I will comply.
Your new playground is located at https://sites.google.com/site/atrollscorner/
I am confident that it will, in time, be a fantastic place for you to spend your time.
I wold have preferred to construct a virtual “holo-deck,” like in Star Trek: The Next Generation, but I do not currently have the time it would require.
I apparently did not refresh my browser this morning and missed your, again helpful, comment.
The fundamental issue you are missing is that the Jazz is not a group, nor is U2. The Jazz is a sports franchise that does hire individuals to perform tasks for it to function properly. The Jazz, as a sports franchise, is a single entity – legally in fact – and is an entity independent of whether there are actually any individuals involved. A defunct sports franchise with now employees would still be a franchise, and still a single entity. U2, a band, is exactly the same. The band itself is singular. It does have members, and those members, could possibly rotate from time to time, but the organization – the band (U2) – remains single and distinct. You may feel free, obviously, to refer to the members of each organization. When you do that, it makes perfect sense to use the “they” pronoun. If you would like to remain correct in your writing, you would need to specify employees, members, musicians, players, etc. Otherwise, you would be incorrectly referring to an individual entity using “they.”
Here is another example. If you see a flock of geese, you can easily talk about the geese, using “they” because you are talking (or writing) about multiple individuals. If, however, you choose to talk about the flock (of geese), you must use “it” because, again, the flock is a single thing. It is abstract, and confusing, I know. Especially to a person of your “intelligence” and, more importantly, your arrogance and narcissism (both of which you clearly have in epic proportions — not referring to intelligence here, obviously).
If you have concerns about my age, intelligence, or profession, it would probably be best to ask Champ as Champ is more in tune with my state of being than I am.
I am required to comment on your 5:50 comment. In spite of your language arrogance, you have made the only positive comment toward the original article, and I agree wholeheartedly with your comment (assuming that I can remove the word “might”).
@lou, adam, or anyone else that has over 300 comments on this blog.
reading those comments was more painful than watching fisher flop. thats pretty sad.stop fighting, stop talking about english and bragging on your grammer skills. utahjazz360.com….”utahjazz”360.com…”UTAHJAZZ”360.COM
this is about the jazz, if your going to talk fight or argue about anything else, go somewhere else.
Thanks Kyle! I agree, which is why I created the new troll site at https://sites.google.com/site/atrollscorner/
Go Jazz!
Wow, Lou, wow. You’re a bigger idiot than I imagined. One, for both Gerald and Lou, I did have my opinions, but I did mention that I might be wrong. Two, after reading the English debate, Gerald is the much more intelligent one in that aspect. His comments make sense. Lou’s doesn’t.
@Deb- I went to bed before you could comment, but I want to mention that you totally took my quote out of context (on purpose, probably, since I cleared up what I meant right after). So much for Jazzbots being peacemakers. Let me quote you directly and then explain:
“Lou: Thanks for your attempts to help our ‘Big 3′ or ‘Three Musketeers’ as they call themselves see that their insistance on being the police of this site is a big part of the reason they feel like no one agrees with them, to quote Adam ‘I’ve spent so much time recently with almost everyone disagreeing with what I think that I’ve become immune and it doesn’t bother me one way or the other.’ I don’t think you will find much success helping them see this.
Adam: If the perceived disagreements with you do not bother you, why mention them? My only other question is why do you think mentioning you are a 21 year returned LDS missionary who served in Texas or the fact I am a fifty year old married woman (as you revealed in a blog several days ago)is relevent to anything on this site? Or that anyone cares?”
Ok, this is what Gerald is talking about when he says that people on this site (me being guilty a few times) don’t pay attention to details. I said that I had spent a lot of time recently with almost no one agreeing with me. You then take that out of context and make a direct personal attack and conclude that I am admitting that no one agrees with the comments I make on this site. Well, if you were paying attention, I mentioned specifically that when I said I have spent a lot of time with no one agreeing with me recently, I was referring to my time spent on an LDS mission in Texas, not this blog website. Most people in Texas honestly think that the LDS faith is a huge cult of which ever member belonging to is going to hell. I’m not exaggerating that either. From that experience, I have become immune to the effects of someone not agreeing with me. My point in saying that was that if no agreed with me on this site, it wouldn’t bother me at all, proving that I am not a narcissist seeking for power. However, I went on to mention that there are actually several people on this site that support what the three of us have done recently, in fact it is at least 50%, as shown by Champ’s poll that he came up with. So, Deb, since you are about in the same age group as my mother, I would suggest to you that you start acting your age. Right now you are acting more like my little sister.
@Kyle & JC- This has been very painful, as well to participate in. I’ve been trying to stop Lou’s rampage since my second reply to him so we can have a decent discussion on this site, but he won’t give in, and he’s still at it, going even more overboard by creating a website that he needs to go to himself.
I only came to this thread to do two things: talk about fashion, and chew some bubble gum; and I’m all outta bubble gum.
Lou- Thanks for defending the purpose of my post that was really nice of you.
Yes the dancers and Bear were also models. The dancers didn’t model jerseys but shirts. They also had kids model the new Jr. Jazz uniforms it was cute.
@JC- I was ecstatic also to see how excited Jefferson was. Its a good feeling to have a high quality player want to play for the Jazz. I too thought of that song
btw Adam you could have just stopped you are just as much to blame.
Stop. STOP. STOP!! STOP TYPING!!!!
so, David Locke looked like he lost some weight.
yeah, but I wasn’t the one who made the non-stop personal attacks, Diana. He was in a mood and if I had stepped away, he would’ve found someone else.
Like, so. After I called it a night, he continued to attack Champ and Gerald for another 2 hours. Someone had to try to stop his rant.
I think the Jazz did a marvelous creative job of revealing the new uniforms. They are constantly doing things like that that other NBA teams should take note of to involve their fanbase as much as we are involved and care about the Jazz.
I mean, David looked really dapper in that replica jersey; and those dancers! woot woot!
You’re right JC. David looked awesome and the men in the crowd really seemed to enjoy the dancers!
I personally thought the players looked in great shape for the off season.
@Diana – this site is what I was thinking was happening w/the Lou versus the world diatribe:
http://www.27bslash6.com/
really, a lot like this one:
http://www.27bslash6.com/p2p2.html
(CAUTION! some coarse language on the page, but funny none the less)
@JC what a perfect example. You can tell Lou was just playing with them last night. Just like the guy doing the free work
I love that website it is so freaking funny!
a HUGE lol @ 27bslash6
I’d be curious to know which part you thought I played :p
Diana, I’m glad they didn’t leave the dancers out! They really needed an update to their wardrobe choices. I didn’t realize that David Locke lost weight. I actually didn’t realize he was previously heavy!
Have the alternate uniforms changed for this year as well? The green was such a nice look that I hope isn’t lost.
Hey JC, where DID you get the sweet stache? I feel compelled to grow out my facial hair…can’t resist…wife won’t be happy…
Would you like a website dedicated to mustachioed westerners? It might be a big hit. Maybe we could convince D-Will to regrow his scruff and join it!
The NBA won’t let us have another alternate uniform right now, so a new alternate wasn’t unveiled. I don’t know if we’ll be wearing the one’s from last year or not.
And the Jazz dancers do have an updated outfit. They’ve had it for quite some time now. Long before the Jazz uniforms were unveiled the other day. Guess they just decided to wear something else.
To recap this thread…
Mustaches: yes
Moustaches: no
Zombie Sonics: yes
Kid Cudi #1: no
DWill with beard: yes
DWill w/no beard: no
Alternate uniforms now: no
Alternet for eveyone: yes