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Yet another trade idea…
Posted by: Jason Michael Crannell on June 21st, 2012
The author's views are entirely his or her own and may not reflect the views of the Utah Jazz.I know I stated in a previous post that I wouldn’t trade Jefferson or Millsap for anything outside of a top 5 pick. I still likely stand by that. But…what about this idea. The Jazz trade Al Jefferson to the Toronto Raptors for Jose Calderon (who like Jefferson has an expiring contract) and the 8th pick in the draft. It works under the cap. If the Jazz made that deal, then they could use the 8th pick on the best available small forward/shooting guard still on the board. This would allow Utah great flexability in the backcourt. They could play Calderon and Harris as a tandem (with Devin playing more off the ball), or have either guy run the point, and be joined in the backcourt by Hayward or Burks. How would this effect our frontcourt? Favors could start at center (with Kanter being his backup), and Millsap could start at power forward. We would then use Jeremy Evans as our “fourth” big, and he could spell Paul. I really feel Jeremy is capable of more then what we have been allowed to see, and would excel as an energy guy off the bench, given the opportunity.
Toronto is badly in need of a low post player to compliment Andrea on the outside. Jefferson is better then any player that would still be available with the eighth pick in this draft. In my mind, for Toronto, it would be a no brainer.
With the 8th pick, the Jazz could then pick from a number of wing player types in the draft (Rivers, Lamb, Waiters, T. Jones, P. Jones, etc…) or if they don’t have confidence in Evans as a fourth big, they could go big and draft Henson, Leonard, or Zeller. Who knows, maybe even someone like Andre Drummond might slip down the draft board.
Any thoughts?
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I’ll do that without hesitation fot the Jazz’s health.
But who would be running the point in toronto then ? Bayless ? Maybe they could draft Lillard … so why not ?
I don’t think Toronto does this… If we had a late first rounder to throw in then I’d say they’d bite.
But trading out of the first round & losing a trade chip like Calderon for Al Jefferson doesn’t make a lot sense for the Raps. Other teams can see Al’s deficiencies as clearly as we can.
On the other hand, I don’t think Kevin O’Conner does this either. I think he over-values Big Al, but who knows, that guy is hard to put a finger on.
But I like the trade, the Jazz would walk away clearly having won the trade.
I like the trade, BUT I’m really starting to have a bad feeling that KOC will not move Al. Im think Al is staying AND Harris is also??! I see some BS trade like Millsap to the Cavs for 22 pick, and Jazz sign Sessions as a backup, and draft a backup PF with 47 pick, and KOC ends the offseason.
*24 pick
Slim chance that Favors will start at center – think the Jazz and Favors like the PF spot.
I think we would have to throw in our 1st rounder for next year. Which I think everyone has agreed that we do not mind giving up since we are more then likely getting GS pick. Even though we do not know for sure. I still would be willing to do it. I agree about J-Ev and hope he is given more of an opportunity.
How about this trade Jefferson and a 1st next year for Caron Butler and Eric Bledsoe? We get the young PG that we need and are freeing up some cap space for the Clippers after this year. That is why they would do it. That gives us a 3 and a PG even though Butler is a vet I still think he is a quality player. They also need draft picks because they have traded them in the CP3 trades and also the Nick Young trade.
So, what you’re saying is you would trade Al Jefferson for Jose Calderon and Jeremy Lamb. Lamb will be the best and frankly, only viable start-worthy wing player left at 8. You could say Waiters, but frankly, pickng him at 8 and trading away the only player in a jazz uniform who can get a shot off at any time in a game (more valuable than you would think) would be a massive kick in the balls.
For those of you who are pissed off at what KOC has or hasn’t done when you frankly know nothing about what it actually going on: wtf? Do you realize how difficult it is to move a 14mil contract and get value back? EXTREMELY. Yes, I’ve heard the Jefferson for iggi swap, but that’s assuming the 76ers want a non-defensive big as part of their elite defensive team. Hmmmmmm. Iggi btw, has been on the offensive decline the past few years (look at the numbers) and being on a team with relatively little offensive power, this is disturbing.
I digress. There’s a lot that goes into one trade and for every 100 talked about proposals, maybe one actally happens, let alone the 3-5 trades that I see some of you wanting KOC to do in one offseason. LOL.
I bet that some of you wuold have been happy if KOC were to have pulled on the rumored trade of Millsap/Burks/47th pick for Ariza and the 10th pick. Not because it would help the jazz at all, because it wouldn’t, but because you just like to see deals done for the sake of making deals. I’ll just say I’m glad none of you actually have any power to make any decision for the jazz organization.
Have patiens, take it easy, get your panties out of your cracks. KOC will do a deal IF the deal helps the jazz. If it doesn’t, then what’s the point?
Trading Jefferson for worthless calderon and a betting against the house prospect like Jeremy lamp is not the direction the jazz should go. We need pieces to contribute now. Losing Jefferson for a ok rookie and calderdon? Come on. I agree, jefferson should be the one traded out of the 4 bigs because the jazz can’t be an elite defensive team with jefferson on the floor as much as he is, but come on. You guys must be raptors fans. Unless we can get into the top 6, you shouldn’t be looking in this draft for a guy who will help the jazz win this coming season.
Dave801 – I think you greatly under value Jefferson. He is one of the top 10 centers in the NBA. It’s not like Calderon doesn’t have weaknesses of his own.
Omar – I have faith KOC is not going to make a bone headed deal.
Shane – I see Favors as a Tim Duncan kind of tweener who can play either power forward or center. He is athletic, and long enough to play either spot. Besides, I’m tired of players saying which position they prefer playing. That should be entirely up to the coaching staff. Players just get paid to play…period.
Ben – Calderon is hardly worthless. He would be a great fit in our system. The guy averages like 9 assists a game on a Toronto team with few scorers.
I’m a huge fan of Dion Waiters. I think he has a chance to be a very good player. I really like Lamb also.
But, the reasons I like this potential deal go beyond just what we would get in return.
1. It would give Favors more time on the floor, which is a very good thing for this team defensively.
2. It would allow for Kanter to play at least 20 minutes per night. He needs playing time to develop.
3. Paul Millsap will be able to stay in the starting lineup, and not need to settle for a bench role that he wouldn’t be happy about accepting. He also wouldn’t have to worry about trying to play the small forward position as much.
4. There would be better ball movement, and more players would get involved in the offense. We wouldn’t need to run so much isolation, and we would be better at defending the pick and roll.
5. This trade would take a tremendous burden off the shoulders of Devin Harris. Calderon is better at running an offense, and this would allow for Harris to create for himself more, which is his real strength. Also, without Jefferson in the middle, the driving lanes will be much more open toward the basket. Harris is speedy with the ball, and a good driver.
6. This trade would allow us to put two or three good passers on the floor at all times in the backcourt, or on the wing. Hayward, Harris, Burks, and Calderon are all good passers.
I thought u are wasting ur time making “trade ideas”. We are Utah man! its not easy players can be here, and im sorry but is a sad reality.
Let KOC work free, then we can speak bout his work, guys.
I think Favors can play a little bit at Center too, and I think he will depending on match-ups. I just don’t think he’ll start at that position.
@ben – I dont see the point in sitting on what we have and being happy to sneak into the playoffs every year. Al is good but what he needs to score (plenty of shots and time on the ball) is not going to help player development or keep the young players around after their rookie contracts. Ultimately we arent going to be a contender with Jefferson, but if we have a chance to get a top draft pick in a good draft, that may just make us a contender in a 2 or 3 years
@Ben I am sick of everyone saying Al is a great scorer. He is average in every advanced stat metric for offense. He is not even top 10 in centers in most of the scoring metrics. Half the people in the league could score as much or more then he does if they touched the ball as much as him!!
You think trades are hard?? Look at the one Washington and New Orleans pulled off. Does not seem very hard since it is a complete idiotic trade for Washington.
I did not see one person saying the New Orleans trade was a good idea. Wats the point of making a so so trade? Well when the pieces you keep affect your future that is why ou do it. Sometimes you have to look ahead and focus on the future not just today. Patients this year is going to cripple us. You think we are bringing in 8 free agents? 5 of which will give us quality minutes a pt a good price dream on buddy DREAM ON! We have had patience before and it lost us our All Star PG and the whole team surrounding him in less then two years. That is poor management. You can not rebuild every 6 years and that is what KOC has done and will have to keep doing if he does not do something!!
Let’s use a reductionist approach:
The responsiblity is on the organization not to draft a bust. Let’s say at the beginning 2010-2011of season D Will has yet to sign extension,
Would you trade All Star D Will FOR
Harris, 2010 3rd pick, 2011 8th pick, and a future 1st?
That’s D Will for Harris and 3 potential busts????
Or would you keep D Will and be content with a second round exit? And get NOTHING in return when D Will opts out?
So with that in mind, reevaluate what you would or would not trade for Al?? For Millsap??? For Harris??? Would you still not want to trade any of the 3?? Are potential draft pick busts worth trading a player, or 2, or 3???
Jazz traded D Will for picks, for potential, not for Harris. You cant approach trades linearly. Al for Calderon sounds wrong but you have look at the totality, not just 1 to 1 ratios. If that was the case D Will for Harris is absurd!!! That potential bust Favors looks pretty good to me.
Side note:
Im being a negative Nancy so I dont get let down hard. So telling myself CJ will be the starting SF next year.
What would you send to Houston for their two picks? Hensen and Teague are set to go in those positions. You have Harkless, T Jones, and Marshall around that area too. Waiters could even slide down that far, for the Waiters lovers. Elite, maybe not, but if your going to lose Harris, Bell, and possibly Al and Sap after next yr who would you trade? How about for Portlands 6th and 11th picks? They love Jazz players, nad have shown interest in at least 2 of the 4.
There are next yrs picks, our second round picks, the trade exception, and even Tomics rights. Wouldnt it be interesting to have 6 lottery picks on the team at the same time?
What if you had a looking glass that told you that MKG slipped to 6th and Lillard to 11th, what would you trade Portland then?
Could you imagine, Lillard, Burks, Hayward, MKG, Favors, and Kanter as your young up and comers? What if you could do it and keep Sap, and let his work ethic rub off on them all?