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Posted by: Jason Hathaway on August 4th, 2012
The author's views are entirely his or her own and may not reflect the views of the Utah Jazz.The Utah Jazz and Paul Millsap are talking about a extension worth 25 million for 3 years but Millsap didnt want to sign so most likely Millsap will become a free agent after this season! I guess he doesn’t want to come of the bench behind Favors, it sucks that’s Jazz couldn’t get him to sign but I see why he didn’t want to sign with a soon to be all star in front of him! What do you guys think about this?
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Reference??? Or just heresay..
@LK I believe he is referring to Brian T. Smith’s article out on the SLTrib’s website. He broke the news on twitter as well.
Time for a trade if we risk losing him, hes too valuable to the league, include raja for anyone that wants him to get rid of him.
Pull another Dwill trade.
If this is true, then I am really sad. Matt is right we do need to make a trade. . . but not involving Paul. I’ve never wanted a Big Al trade more then right now.
I’m not sure this had anything to do with whether or not he starts. Paul obviously will want his minutes and a key role for the Jazz, but this was most likely about the length of contract and the dollar amount. This offseason has shown that Sap can get a better deal in free agency than what the Jazz are offering. I bet there are a handful of teams that would give Sap a 4 yr $36M deal or better.
Yeah I’m guessing that this is primarily a financial move. He thinks he can make more money in the FA market, which is probably true. I don’t know how much more he will make but probably more than our extension offer can be. There’s still a possibility we re sign him but we will have to compete with everyone else.
We can not give him a higher deal then the one we are trying to give. That is the max we can give on an extension. So it is not our fault or his really. He wants more and we can not give it to him at this present time
Then trade him, simply things are the best.
To Dallan… Why is this the max money we can give him?
Are you saying that cause of cap space? Or is it a matter of resigning
The core 4 later? I dont understand….
I’d hate to be locked up in a huge contract with Millsap when Favors or Hayward hit the end of their contracts and not be able to resign one of them. I like Paul, and think he’s worth the contract we offered, but if he chooses not to extend, I think it’s time to cut ties and get what we can out of him. It’s for the growth of the team.
First off, I think Millsap is wwwaaayyy better than Al. BUT this was excactly what many of us were complaining about around June 1st, YES JUNE 1st!!! Think, about all the post and comments about us trading away Al and Millsap (and Harris at the time) and A LOT of the other people on this site were complaining about many of us being “crazy” GMs…..well not look at situation we are in now!! You think Al will take anything less than 13M per you are crazy. So basically we missed on a deep draft and some FAs cough cough Illyasova, so that Al and Millsap can walk for nothing. We could have gotten even late first rounders like Moultrie or PJ3. KOC has done a lot if good (Marvin), but he really missed with all the assets we had.
@Bryan – Its due to the rules under the new CBA.
Thank You for the sorce. And again we don’t know what kind of chance the Jazz had in the draft or trades. If it aint right don’t do it..I think a lot will be seen in the season. If Sap sees a ring at the end of the rainbow he may want to stay. What will be will be..
I really like Sap for many reasons, also, but the most important thing is going to be resigning the youth down the line. If we can get a good trade for Sap and Al that will help our future, that is the way to go, IMO.
What Disco said. Under the CBA you can only give them a 7.5% increase and because the signining bonus counts evenly in some ways it does not count for this so his base salary this year is like 7.5 mil so that was the max they could give him in an EXTENSION but he could still go into free agency they have a 3 year 30 million dollar offer waiting for him. I sure hope they do not go sign Al now to some ridiculous contract! Like Omar said we should have made a move. Now it is going to hurt us by losing them for nothing
Wow…. Thanks guys i didnt know that, 7.5 percent raise would be good for me….. I guess we aint talkin common folk.
I’d hate to lose Millsap. I’ve always said he’s the all around best player on our team. If only the guy were 2 inches taller, he’d be unstoppable.
Millsap is the heart of this team. This is not a decision that should be made lightly.
Keep in mind that “exploring free agency” doesn’t necessarily mean that he will be leaving. Depending on what offers he gets and from what teams, he might very well take the extension.
It’s also possible he becomes a free agent in an attempt to have the Jazz sign him to a bigger contract. That seems very unlike Paul Millsap to me.
I really don’t see sap getting paid more than 10 mil a season (maybe 12). I sincerely hope we can work something out.
But tragically, that just might be wishful thinking.
Paul millsap and al jefferson for greg monroe.
We should front-load Millsap’s contract. Give him a 4-year $40 million dollar contract that pays the majority of the contract in the first two years.
As i have posted in the past, I think Millsap at PF and Favors at C is where we should be heading.
@ browncoat, i agree with you. Millsap is the man!
The ONLY ONLY way I see Millsap staying for 8M with Jazz, is if Jazz trade Al by camp and have a 3 man rotation among PF and C, where Millsap, Kanter, and Favors split the minutes. That way Millsap still gets 30 minutes a game, and starts most games. That is the only way. Because it would be stupid to give 30+ minutes to 2 players that are leaving after year.
Ya Dallan, Jazz really handicap themselves. If the pay raise is fixed, shouldnt the Jazz and Millsap have know what the price point would be WAY back in June?? So why just now offer him something he already knew he would reject??! I dont get it. Jazz should have done their homework early, and gotten into the mix of draft–even if they only got future picks and late 1st rounders, Jazz would have freed up space to play in FA and sign players to contracts that line up with resigning core four. We really undercut the value of our assets.
Jazz arent gonna get the best deals now and missed out on a strong draft: teams that are building are not going to give up players to get Millsap or Al because they can just wait til next season to sign them, and playoff teams wont lose their pieces that make them a playoff team to get Al or Millsap, those teams will only give up draft picks, which will be in the 20-30 range.
Logan is right we have to sell low now to get anything, Al and Millsap for Monroe sounds great considering were jazz are at. Add a 1st and its a great deal for 2 players wed lose for nothing.
Logan: You know the salaries come no where near matching, without even looking it up.
You can find current salaries here:
http://hoopshype.com/salaries/utah.htm
(bookmark it)
In the future, before you propose a trade, use a trade checker, like RealGM.
http://basketball.realgm.com/tradechecker/saved_trade/6135322
There’s a flaw in the new CBA, where no player would want an extension, unless he’s worried about an imminent injury or doesn’t think he can draw that high a salary on the open market as a FA. (But then why would the current team offer it?)They can get more years and more money as a FA, than an extension.
Paul is a great trade asset.
Even if he’s not traded, the jazz have his bird rights and can sign and trade him to any team under the luxury tax apron.
The real question is…Who/what do you get back for Paul?
Jazzaholic
Yeah the Pistons wont do that. The only difference between Monroe and Favors is that Monroe has 2 years of starting experience and already averages 16 and 10. Monroe is untouchable I assure you. Why would they trade a guy who will be an elite big that is proven(Favors is mostly potential right now and look how we value him.) and is on a rookie contract for two expiring bigs that have never made an All star team. Doesnt make sense for them. They are in rebuilding mode. They will not compromise their future to be a subpar team right now. So we should stop the speculation here. Not happening.
Of course that couldnt be a straight up trade. Those players are just the center pieces. It is not that far fetched: Jazz would take back Charlie V 8M 2 years (lines up perfectly), so Millsap is wwwaaayyy better than Charlie V., Pistons draft there future franchise center, Monroe is a C not a PF, Drummond is a C not a PF. Al, for a center doesnt really play at the rim. They could Millsap a 4 year 40M contact, Jazz cant. So basically Pistons are dumping Charlie V. for Millsap, and using Al while Drummond plays iut rookie contract :Kanter 3 man rotation, Drummond, Al, Sap.
However the simplest solution is the right one….trade Al.
*jazz 3 man rotation: Monroe, Kanter, Favors (Charlie V the leftovers).
Omar I think Charlie V can just sit on the bench. Give Evans the leftovers.
Here is a trade for ya.. Throw in draft picks here and there and I think this works. No one knows what Derrick Williams is going to be so we are taking a risk with him but Motiejunas is going to be good I think. So even if Williams does not work out that would be fine. Motiejunas could play C or PF, Williams could play either PF or SF. Plus we need another Williams right? Especially a D-Will?
http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=9zhufea
Thats true Dallan!! I totally overlooked Evans.
This might be a blessing having Millsap reject this extension. Jazz are goinf to be forced to make a move and address issues now rather than later. Al and/or Millsap HAVE to be moved. If Favors is getting 30, Millsap or Al has to go, or Kanter gets DNPs. The only way Watson (hopefully Bell) get moved is in a trade with Al and/or Millsap.
Yes Omar it is far fetched. The Pistons and Monroe are confident that he can play PF. He has played it plenty in his career to this point. You would know that if you have ever watched him. Paul would still become a free agent and most likely leave Detroit. Like I said its not happening. You are beating a dead horse. They wouldnt trade Monroe for Kanter and Favors much less Paul and Al.
Trading Millsap should now be the most pressing issue for the Jazz. Why trade Al first when there is almost no chance that Paul re-signs with us. Next year we will have a terrible frontcourt if Paul and Al leave. I think we should push for a 3 yr. Al extension for the right price. Favors, Kanter, and Evans wont cut it in the NBA for 2013. If Al doesnt stay then where do we go for help in the frontcourt? Free Agency wont bring much fruit for us. It never does. Boozer might be the biggest signing we have had in FA in my lifetime.
@JRN, I think we are arguing semantics, cuz “far fetched” is relative. So probable, not likely, but possible, very much likely.
I have seen enough of Monroe, (like make time to watch all the Jazz games live or dvr, but hell no will I watch too many Piston’s games, the East is pretty awful). And of course Monroe can play the PF, but again JRN, you are making the crucial mistake you keep making: forgetting that there is a defensive side to the game. So yes Monroe can play offensive at PF, but can he guard LBJ on the perimeter, Amare, Josh Smith, KG, Tristan Thompson, Ilyasova, Thadeus Young, even Glen Davis and David West might be to quick. I really like Monroe, but you cant ask him to guard outside his position for 30 minutes a game. You better believe Drummond is getting 30 minutes, so Monroe will be play most his minutes at PF. So its not asking Monroe to play some PF, but pretty much convert to a PF. I always though Millsap would thrive in the East, hed be an All Star easily in the East playing against the aforementioned list.
Millsap wants money and playing time, Detroit can give him that. But more immediately, Millsap is better than Al, and thrives, as do the jazz, when Al had DNPs. Al makes 15M, Millsap at most 2/3rds of that. Kanter and Favors can both play C, so Al is odd man out. And Al is a horrible defender. This is an easy decision to make. Trade Al resign Millsap, but not for too much, if not trade him also.
@JrN So how long are you expecting these players to develop? How long do you want to suppress their skills and talents for a guy that will not lead us to a championship? How are they going to develop with 10 mins a game? Cause the numbers show without playing time people do not develop! How long do you want to be mediocre? Are you happy getting the 7th-8th seed for the next 3-5 years and then lose our young talent who will not be so young then?
I would MUCH rather turn the keys over to the young guys and see what we have with an offense that compliments them. See what we have and see what we need to put around them to make our team elite with them! Why did we trade D-Will? Cause he was going to leave us right? For a youth movement right? Ok well where is the playing time for that youth?
You keep bringing up Al but when I shut you down with stats and numbers you just ignore the post. Better get that figured out before your mission it could cause you some problems.
Omar:
Millsap could be traded multiple times, but until July 1st NO team can pay him any more than the Jazz are offering, which is the maximum extension.
After July 1st, he’ll be an UFA and can get paid more, if a team is willing to pay more. If they are over the cap, but under the luxury tax apron, a sign and trade would be highly likely.
Jazzaholic
@Jazzaholic, Im sure technically nothing can be done til next year, but Im sure Millsap has a price point and the Jazz have (should have, I hope) price point, and say this is the max numbers we are willing to pay, so yes or no Millsap. And let Millsap make the decision. Unlike Raja, I bet Millsap is a man of his word. BUT either way Millsap or Al HAS to be gone before camp, unless the Jazz plan on Kanter and Favors splitting up 30 minutes between themselves. Or if Al’s getting 30+ then Favors is getting the majority of his 30+ at PF, so either Millsap will get left out or Kanter gets left out.
I think above all Millsap wants PT, and if the Jazz are keeping Al, then Millsap is playing behind Favors 30+ minutes. I totally favor Millsap, I just want a verbal agreement hell resign for a reasonable amount, hopefully a percise dollar amount.
So basically who is cheaper, who is gonna get PT without burying the youth movement?
@Dallan
I respond to your nonsense much more than it deserves
How would keeping a 3 deep rotation at PF/C of Al, Favors, and Kanter inhibit their playing time. Al played 34 minutes last year and that leaves 62 minutes for the other two to split. If Favors got 32 that would leave 30 for Enes. He probably cant handle that next year. We could bring in another PF to use 10-12 minutes
I dont want you bringing up my personal life. You have no right nor reason. Lets keep the personal stuff at home and argue like adults. I dont take cheap shots at you.
You thnk it is non sense because it proves your top 15 player is in fact only average. Keeping Al is not good for anyone on the team. The same reason Minnesota shipped him out because he does not allow a teams talents to develop is the same reason we need to get rid of him
I think a lot of it has to do with how Ty will handle rotations this year. If can make it to fifth of fourth seed, I think Millsap would legitimately consider staying on board as a bench player. Hello 6th man of the year.
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there are 96 minutes to divy up for the 4 and 5 positions, at 48 minutes each.
Center
Al Jefferson (25 minutes)
Derrick Favors (~15 minutes)
Enes Kanter (~10 minutes)
Power Forward
Derrick Favors (~25-30 mins)
Paul Millsap (~20 minutes)