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Posted by: Jazzaholic on March 2nd, 2013
The author's views are entirely his or her own and may not reflect the views of the Utah Jazz.The only way Ty will make line up changes is when Dennis/Kevin will play money ball or injuries.
Dennis/Kevin either have been reluctant get rid of inefficient, high salary players or the right opportunity has not presented itself. Whatever the case, it has not been done. This summer will be the perfect opportunity, with up to 9 roster spots opening up.
This leaves us with injuries as the only way to see the young talent rise to the surface. We saw it last year and again this year.
When injuries finally forced Ty to start the kids, they responded.
Did anyone notice the change in defense and ball movement?
The “bench” started and actually played defense! They got around screens, switched players and actually, I know it’s hard to believe, but they clogged the middle and rebounded.
Yes, the pundits and Jazz paid media can continue rationalize Ty’s starters, rotations and minutes played, but we saw a display of basketball against the lowly Bob Cats.
No forcing the low post pass (at the 3 point line), hold, hold, hold…tick, tick, tick. No lack of rebounding effort or taking plays off. No lagging down the floor, while the other team gets fast break points. No lack of effort on defense or taking plays off.
The kids wanted to play, and it showed.
They are not suddenly the top team in the NBA, but we got a glimpse of the talent, which has gone largely undeveloped at the rate it could have been.
The 2 games Big Al has not started, forcing Ty into lineup changes this year have resulted in two of the largest victories this year.
The Jazz have been headed out of the playoffs with the high paid vets, so what do you lose by playing AND developing the kids?
This is the 1st chance we’ve had to see that Pogo can really play, if he gets the chance.
I have been an Enes the Menace fan since I first saw him play. We finally get to see his potential! We watched him school Bynum, in a Jazz victory over the HATED Lakers, but Ty yanks him almost as quickly as he puts him in. After all, we can’t offend older, higher paid veterans.
We saw inefficient Howard brought back from injury to replace the more efficient kids last year. Will it be Déjà vu, all over again? Do Big Al and Paul get the automatic start or will Ty look to the future and start the kids?
I’m afraid we already know the answer.
Jazzaholic
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I want everyone to remember what Utah Jazz basketball looked like 2-3 years ago before the Sloan and D-Will departures. The Jazz were not destructible, but I rarely worried that they were going to loose to anyone but the top 4-5 elite teams in the league. Everyone else, I knew we could handle them. When I turned the game on, watched the flow of the offense, saw the defensive rotations, I was CONFIDENT in how my team was playing.
Simply put,
I HAVE NOT HAD THAT SAME CONFIDENCE IN A LONG, LONG TIME.
I love Al. Je’s a great human being. However, He is not the player that will take our team to the place it needs to go. Neither will Tinselly, Marvin, or Earl.
I feel like I haven’t watch AUTHENTIC Jazz basketball in years. A part of me almost feels like the lockout is still in effect. Am I the only one who feels this way?
Bring back the discipline, give the young guys their minutes, take some RISKS and, maybe, think real long and hard about how Ty manages the team. Things will get better in Jazztown, but changes WILL need to happen. There’s just no away around it!
There have been tons of “Jazz basketball” in the last 2 years man. We aren’t the upper-tier team we were with D-Will, but hustle and grit has won the Jazz several big games since the lockout. For example:
The 3OT game vs. Dallas last year (Millsap put back buzzer beater)
The 6 game run to put us in the playoffs
The San Antonio game winner this year
The Dallas game this year where Favors got nasty
The wins this year over Miami, OKC, and GS all were nice
Last nights game
The consistency isn’t there anymore, but there have been plenty of great games since the lockout. Stop sippin the Sloan juice.
I tolaly agree jazzman15. I used to have that confidence in the jazz that is not there now, but i think we could have that again if ty would stop being a stick in the mud and make some changes, and if dosent by the end of the season i think its time for him to go! The young players we have on the team is the furtue of this team its time they get treated like it and get more playing time to learn and grow!
Bad news good news. Bad news is this season is likely to end in April. Good new is, the turning starting of a new chapter, and glimpses of an awesome plot. Dont lose heart Jazz Nation, I like the future I see, lets hope it turns out the way I envision it.
@ Jazzaholic – that Enes the Menace reference is priceless. Hope it sticks. Finally, we watched the C4-Go/BooM !!
Hopefully Big Lazy Al will take his time getting that ankle all nice and healthy — as in, the rest of the season.
Agree!
Paul/Big Al take your time and get better.
Jazzaholic
I love Paul but I agree free the future!!
Well said Jazzaholic! Its easy to cheer your team when they play with heart and effort!! Thats really what I love, win or lose— I want fight and energy. Nevermind the fact they are young, regardless, if a player plays hard, he deserves to play, period. 1st year, 2nd, 15th year, it should be universal.
@Andy McClure, if Millsap would except a 6th man role, that would be cool! In fact, Saps numbers in Al’s DNPs are pretty awesome. But Im afraid so long as Corbin is coach, he will always play Sap over Favors
Tyrone Corbin is the problem. He’s the one holding this team back. Corbin and his idiotic, irrational, pathetic, obsession with veteran players. Tyrone Corbin doesn’t do stats. He doesn’t do player efficiency. He doesn’t even do the eyeball test. He doesn’t review games. he doesn’t make his players watch tape. He doesn’t look for trends. He doesn’t look for production. He doesn’t look for success. He doesn’t look for winning. He doesn’t mind losing. He doesn’t care about the future of the team. He doesn’t care about the young players.
The only basketball distinction Tyrone Corbin is capable of making is: veteran, or not veteran.
#FIRECORBIN
I wonder in the history of the NBA, if a player—after dropping 20/20, has been forced to play less than 15 minutes the following game because of a coaches decision?!
How exactly do you “earn” minutes on a Corbin coached team?! You have to drop 30/30?!
Let’s not get too carried away. Corbin finally had no choice but to play Favors and Kanter in the same starting lineup, something I’ve been asking for him for a long time. However it was against the Bobcats. The Bobcats are a horrible team Kanter’s performance was amazing but we didn’t learn anything we didn’t already know. The Bobcats starting five is pretty much similar to the bench of most teams. Teams like Toronto (earlier this season) and Bobcats last week are at a level of player that we are used to seeing Kanter and Favors play, score, and defend against. What we need from Corbin now is to unleash them against better quality teams, teams that we as fans know have Al’s number, to see exactly at what level Kanter and Favors are at.
I want Al gone next season. I’ve made that perfectly clear, but its not going to do us any good to have two players that aren’t ready to step up against quality teams because they haven’t had any real experience against better standards of players, better defences, better offences or better coaches. If they aren’t ready next season the FO might target the wrong players in the off season and the Jazz could get off to a really bad start. Or maybe because of Corbin’s lack of trust in the youth the FO will target players to help Favors and Kanter and cause them to play limited minutes yet again because The FO haven’t seen anything yet that says they are ready.
I suspect the Jazz, with the season on the line can get us at least 11 victories assuming they can get a few away games in the bag starting with the Bucks tonight, which should be a game or two too much for the Lakers to overcome. However the Jazz have many games between now and the end of the season that Al will struggle defensively and probably offensively too due to the standard of the opposition and their tactical discipline. These games are opportunities to try something different – lets see if Kanter can do the same against the Spurs, lets see if Favors can stay out of foul trouble and stay on the floor against the Lakers and maybe put Howard in foul trouble. Can a more athletic lineup up Favors, Kanter, Hayward and Burks outrun and outgun Houston? A couple of victories against these teams would be important for the outcome of this season but with the right lineup win or lose could be more important next season.
Sorry surgery must be making crazy, don’t know why I mentioned the lakers we played them all we are going to this season. Duh.
Don’t be too hard on Ty, he’s trying to win games. It just doesn’t correspond to the fan base desire to see the kids get time, and make mistakes, but develop. Barely making the playoffs to get ousted in the 1st round is not my goal, but the FO and Ty feel that’s a successful season.
Maybe when Ty gets more time and confidence, he’ll go against his old instincts and try something new. There’s a very slight trend in that direction. Very slight.
The Bucks won’t be the Bobcats and it’ll be on the road, so the odds are against the kids, but let’s hope.
Jazzaholic
Wow. I am disappointed. Losing against OKC is fine, but as others have observed, something feels wrong this year.
The starting five falling behind and then me enjoying seeing an energetic second crowd try to win the game? Burks, Hayward, DMC, Favors, Kanter are just so much more fun to watch than the starting five (when Marvin started).
But even then, before Mo came back, it looked more like a team. Mo is a great player on paper, but in my eyes he is a hugely disruptive presence on the court. His decision-making doesn’t fit the team!
Having Big Al as your go-to guy in late game situation is a decent option, but why do teams always have to stop playing team basketball? Keep the ball moving and give your opposing team headaches with movement off the ball…
Chances are good, that next year’s team will look radically different.