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The 3 Guard Rotation
Posted by: Jazzaholic on February 24th, 2013
The author's views are entirely his or her own and may not reflect the views of the Utah Jazz.After playing 4 on 5 offense for a couple of months now, Ty should be able to figure out that Jamaal and Earl CAN’T SCORE!!!
Nobody bothers to even guard them. They put up a shot and might just as well throw the ball out of bounds, so at least the other team has to inbound the ball, instead of having a fast break.
There’s a simple solution.
Put Jamaal and Earl on the bench where they can’t do any damage. When they are in the game their defender doubles whoever has the ball, because they can’t shoot and everyone knows it.
Added to that is their defense. Jamaal is just terrible.
On top of that, they get very few rebounds.
This is not a new thing. This has been going on all year. When Mo was healthy, it was masked somewhat, but the last 2 months have been glaring.
Once you’ve benched Jamaal and Earl, Ty needs to run a 3 guard rotation, until Mo gets back. Gordon, Alec and Randy rotate the 2 guard positions throughout the game. No Earl. No Jamaal.
Rebounding, defense and scoring all suddenly improve. How can it not?
As a side note, why can’t Kanter and the Junkyard Dog get more minutes???
Come on Ty…Do some coaching and make some changes. Get out of your rut!
Jazzaholic
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You are right on track, sometimes Ty sits on that bench and stares into space, like what do I do now. that starting line up needs to be shook up.
My starting 5:
Alec Burks, Gordon Hayward, Demarre Carroll, Derrick Favors, Al Jefferson
Bench:
Randy Foye, Paul Millsap, Enes Kanter
“They put up a shot and might just as well throw the ball out of bounds, so at least the other team has to inbound the ball, instead of having a fast break.”
Hahah Classic! And so true. I’ve been begging for no more Tinsley or Watson all season, but we’ll probably have to wait until the offseason and hope they aren’t re-signed… and it will be funny when no other team wants them, once again showing how Corbin incompetently insists on playing hacks that wouldn’t see a lick of playing time on any other NBA roster, just like with Josh Howard.
Nice lineup Adam!
Jazzaholic
Ty should watch some Spurs games, maybe start with the recent GS loss. Pop tore shreds off Tim Duncan in the last few minutes for a couple of lazy mistakes. If Duncan can be told off and take it like a man, then maybe Corbin could do that with his players, starting with Al. Pretty sure Corbin had his head in his hands at some stage during the Clippers loss.
bench Tinsley, Watson and Marvin. No way either of those guys should be getting more time on the court than Carroll.
Could not agree more Jazzaholic. I think Carroll should be in the starting lineup too just because the starters always seem to be lacking energy at the start of the game.
Good points and the thought of Carrol bringing some energy at the begining could solve a problem they’ve had all year. In my view, the youngters has proven they’re ready for much more playing time.
Isnt Corbin the same coach that benched Carroll last year in order to start Josh Howard of all people, despite Howard being injured and inactive for weeks, to match up against the #1 seed red-hot Spurs in the playoffs??!!
If anything Corbin might insert Watson into starting line up and call thar change for the better….
I have zero faith in Corbin to do the smart thing. I expect Corbin to be Corbin.
@ Jazzaholic – Nailed it!
@ disco – “Pop tore shreds off Tim Duncan in the last few minutes for a couple of lazy mistakes” +1 on that! I was watching that game and saw Pop start to go off on a player(who was off screen at first) and I was curious to see who it was because he started the conversation off with: “Are you f^&*ing stupid?!?”(if my lip reading skills are correct) and I was surprised to see it was Tim Duncan!
What I wouldn’t give the next time Jefferson side steps out of the way and lets a pg take an easy lay-up for Corbin to call a time-out and get in his face a little!
Big Al, you cannot move out of the way and just swipe your arm down to try and stop a lay-up! Be a BIG and protect the rim!
#FireCorbin #BeACoach!
Oh my gosh you guys are forgetting a HUGE, IMPORTANT fact. Earl and Jamaal are veterans. Sorry, but veterans trump raw talent, athleticism and potential, don’t you know this?? Its coaching 101.
Agreed!!
Based on solely +/- stats for the year, 3 best in order: Carrol, Kanter, Burks. 3 (or4) worst in order: Jefferson, Foye, 2Williams.
Based on a rough calculation, which has many limits (our 2nd unit playing other 2nd units, prime time minutes, minute distribution, etc) I’ve come up with a scenario. (Source: http://www.nba.com/statistics/plusminus/plusminus_sort.jsp?pcomb=1&season=22012&split=9&team=Jazz).
If the 3 best switched minutes completely for the season (Carroll for Marv, Kanter for Al, and Burks for Foye) The Jazz would have netted a +262 points for the season. Currently, just these six players, net a -10. A difference of 272 points. Over 56 games so far that is about 4.9 pts/game.
Out team currently is a -.3, if we improved to a +4.6 it would put us around 4th in the West and we could start a home playoff series.
I like stats, they paint a picture, but they do have limits.
@zach johnson…….WOW!
I wonder if Lindsey is not so much a stat guy as they made him out be? Considering we all can see these trends.
Or Lindsay is Count Dooku and KOC is Senator Palpatine, so Lindsay has little control.
It’s hard to get Ty to do anything but play the highest paid and longest in the tooth players, unless Dennis/Kevin play “Money Ball”, which so far they have NOT, for whatever reason, or there are injuries to the older, higher paid players.
You hate to hope for injuries, but…
Jazzaholic
“By the way, here’s what happened between Gregg Popovich and Howard during the All-Star Game, according to a source who witnessed it: in the third quarter, Pop called out a play, but Howard jacked up a corner three instead. Pop immediately turned to the bench and said ‘get him the (bleep) out.’ That was it, really. No extended swearing or shouting, just Pop being Pop.” NBA.com
This is what we need, but will probably never get, from Ty, when players miss DEFENSIVE assignments (since he never seems to call much offensively)
This is what Thibs did with Boozer in Chicago.
But, alas…
Jazzaholic
We got some co-point guard time, with Burkes/Hayward and nice results. Much better than Earl, -11.
The starters were all – figures! Sit BOTH Jamaal and Earl.
Jazzaholic
Another example of Kanter to replace Al. Al was -13 in 39 min, Kanter was +14 in 12 minutes. If they played the opposite time were looking at Kanter +45.5 and Al -4. More than enough to put the game in our pocket w/o OT. Let Al walk at the end of the season.
I like the three guard rotation, but there also needs to be a three PF/C rotation of Favors/Millsap/Kanter. With Evans picking up any spare time.
I do not understand why Tyrone is so hesitant on making a lineup change. Or why KOC and Lindsay aren’t sharing any information about planning for the future. Do they plan on trying to resign Jefferson? Millsap? If they plan to let Jefferson go. Put him on the bench.
Our defensive efficiency frankly sucks! With two key areas…Jefferson and our PG’s.
I like the 3 guard rotation. It would be a great way to handle the deficiency at the point with Mo out. But I also think that Jefferson needs to be moved to the bench and come in with Kanter. Jefferson plays better at the 4, posting a smaller guy up would be beneficial for him…but once again we talk about defensive efficiency and he is not quick enough on the defensive ends for most 4’s.
My line-up for the rest of the season would be as follows:
Starting:
Burks/Foye
Foye/Burks
Marv Williams
Millsap
Favors
Bench:
Foye/Hayward/Burks
Foye/Hayward/Burks
Carroll/Hayward
Jefferson
Kanter
Tinsley and Watson are just plain BAD. No offense and Tinsley’s foul if i get beat defense is atrocious.
I read a statistic that the Jazz’s offensive efficiency goes through the roof with Burks playing the point. Better than Miami……
Start Mo in a week, when he comes back and go to a 4 guard rotation, but I like sitting BOTH Earl AND Jamaal permanently!
You have to remember Enes plays against mostly bench player, but not always. When he plays against starter, he does well. Remember, when Bynum was healty and how Enes schooled him?
Jazzaholic
Definitely start Mo when he is back to healthy. The Jazz are a completely different team with him on the floor. If injuries didn’t plague the team with Mo and Gordon, I would be confident to say we would be fighting for that 4/5 seed.
Last night’s game against Atlanta was awful again. With our downfall happening in the 1st and 3rd quarters. The Jazz make great surges at the 2nd and 4th quarters. Hmmmm. Starters in 1st and 3rd, reserves for the most part in the 2nd and 4th.
The Jazz were making their push in the middle of the fourth, then they brought Jefferson back in and we lost the momentum. Tyrone is not coaching. Well lets say he is good at game-plans but he has a hard time coaching in game and making in game adjustments. Just goes to show how much we miss Millsap and Jefferson’s awful defense is not outweighed by his offense. Favors uses a better percentage of his shots to get to the foul line and his potential is greater.
It’s getting disappointing to watch games…and even hard to “waste” time anymore doing so. Thankful for DVR capabilities.
Earl Watson may be a worse defender than Al is … I would love to see Burks, Hayward, Carroll, Favors and Kanter starting … Al is a good scorer, but he is one of the worst defensive big men in the league, Horford owned him last night…. Agreed it is getting hard to watch the Jazz, and I find myself giving away tickets all the time … and when I do go to the games, I don’t worry about getting to my seat by the start of the game because I know that every first quarter will be a joke ….
I can’t think of any NBA team in my 25 or so years of watching hoops, that was starting the wrong guys 1-5, that is the case here…make an adjustment already!
Also, The Jazz would have been so much better off to keep Devin Harris instead of trading him for Marvin … that would have solved the PG issues, and given good playing time to Carroll, Burks and Hayward …and left Tinsley and Watson on the bench where they belong. …and, Devin Harris’ 8.5 million will come off the books after this year, unlike Marvin’s 7.5MM player option for next year.
I’m keeping my fingers crossed for a house cleaning this summer, except for Carroll…who I think should have already been given a nice contract extension and a starting spot months ago.
If Mo hadn’t gone down, Ty would have never tried Alec at PG. Ty has to be forced with injuries or money ball to make a change.
I disagree. Ty isn’t very good at game plans either.
Core4 + JD play much better defense, which is half the game!
Jamaal and Earl had guaranteed contracts. Mo TPE fills up the PG slot. Injuries can happen to any player Mo or Devin.
Marvin hasn’t done as well as expected and Mo has been injured. It might just be the wrong fit for Marvin, unless the Jazz don’t resign Paul/Big Al.
Jazzaholic
We got to see some co-point guard with Gordon and Alec with great results against the Bobs, with great success.
Jazzaholic