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“Trickery, deceit”
Posted by: Jazzaholic on June 13th, 2012
The author's views are entirely his or her own and may not reflect the views of the Utah Jazz.King David confirmed that the competition committee will discuss the issue of flopping at its next meeting June 18, and called it “tricks that are designed to fool the ref.”
“Flopping almost doesn’t do it justice,” Stern said. “Trickery, deceit, designs to cause the game to be decided other than on its merits. We’ll be looking at that.”
As for the overall state of the league’s officiating, Stern said, “The state of the referees is spectacular for human beings. What’s the next question?”
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How many years has this been going on, with fans complaining?
Players jumping in front of a player driving to the basket, starting to bend at the knees in preparation for the FLOP and the selling of a charge (a snow angel and a rendition of the worm) are indeed ruining the game.
You don’t want players running over a player, with an established position, but diving in front of a player, instead of playing defense, is just not acceptable.
When Shaq came into the league, it became imperative to stop him bull dozering over anyone guarding him.
This was fine, because Shaq was posting up, and the player guarding him, had an established position.
However, now it takes a special acting class to learn the art of deception.
A player starts his drive and is committed to his path. AFTER he starts his move, another player jumps in front of him, on his toes, to make sure he’s out of the restricted area, bends his knees and flops. This is followed with the obligatory “oh, I’m hurt…is there any blood”, and in quick succession 2 snow angels and a rendition of the worm.
There may be hope. In the last game, I actually saw a blocking foul called. Also, the “bean counter”, Stan’s little brother, who has been complaining about the lack of blocking calls, showed it in slow motion.
Perhaps King David will actually do something this year. How many years have we asked???
This is an interpretation call, but it needs BETTER interpretation!
Jazzaholic
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They need a ‘pause for review’ foul and let an instant-replay-official call blocking or charging based on slomo.
Instant review has it’s place and this may be one ….but in real time, on the floor, I can see, although it might be obvious to the fans, the officials could have a difficult time seeing it. It sucks but it is part of the game. Stopping to review could just slow down the pace and flow of the game…I say play on and make up for this deception by playing tough and solid…..better play will always prevail in the end!
Stopping flopping is unrealistic. It is already penalty enough that if you flop it leaves your team down a man and usually results in a wide open shot.
Also would you really want the refs to be able to call flopping when a star like Kobe really fouls our small market players. It would be awful if they had that power.
Accept that it is a mental part of the game. It’s a strategy that has been used since the beginning. It already has a risk/reward built into it and it would be just as frustrating to get a flop called against your team when they were really fouled as when the opposing team gets a call for flopping.
right I agree with Mason, I hate flopping but it is really objective and I imagine that somehow it would benefit the super stars even more.
Ahhh, the Video room official. I love it! Any question he replays before the foul shot or the out of bounds.
He could also correct all the errors in out of bounds calls. They may as well be throwing darts at a dartboard, for all the missed calls.
If the blocking foul is called correctly, it takes most of the incentive out of flopping. Blocking may be fine for football, but it’s time for the NBA to clean up their game.
I hate Kobe with a passion, almost as much as I hate the HATED Lakers. Even he deserves the blocking foul to be correctly interpreted.
Look at the number of injuries, away from the play, where a flopper falls into someone’s knee or they twist an ankle on a prone flopper doing his routine.
A superstar is more gifted, and players need to develop other means of control, like playing defense, double teaming and blocking his shot. Isn’t a block or a dunk more exciting than a flop?
Jazzaholic
If a player can reach his spot AND stop moving before the offensive initiates his drive, it’s a clear charge…no question. It’s the moving, sliding, twisting, late arrival etc, which make it a block.
A video ref would help greatly.
A video ref could also start watching the illegal, moving, screens and clear that mess up too.
A video ref could eliminate the need for the 3 refs to prolong the timeouts to review a 2/3 point shot.
Jazzaholic
Another option is to have the league review all flops and gine people for doing it. In the game it is really hard to tell with the speed of the game but if the league could potentionally go back and rewatch it in slow motion it may help get rid of some of it.
That would help on an ongoing basis, but the correct interpretation frequently is the difference between winning and losing.
Already this year, in the game’s last 2 minutes, we’ve seen many calls reversed, with video review by the refs. On TV the replays during the game show all kinds of incorrect or missed calls.
The game is simply too fast for squatty old men to see what is going on.
There are at least 6-8 cameras on the game with excellent views, replays, slo-mo, zoom and freeze frame. No way those refs on the court can see as clearly, and they make mistakes, sometimes giving the star the benefit of the doubt.
Jazzaholic
Why don’t you just run plays like football then. After the play is over you can review it EVERY TIME. After the possession the next team gets the ball at the opposite baseline and gets to run their play. The play ends with a turnover, the other team gaining possession, or a basket. NO THIS SOUNDS BORING! the game is awesome because it is fast paced. The refs miss some calls but it is better than stopping the clock every 24 seconds to review every ticky tacky mother effin call. The game is going to get so boring and morph into something that resembled the mans game it used to be!
FLopping is killing the NBA.
I think every game needs to be reviewed after by the same refs that officiated the game.
If a player is found flopping and given the call during the game that player needs to be given a technical foul. Isn’t it like 10 T’s in a season and you get suspended for a game?? Whatever it is big time floppers wouldn’t flop because they would get suspended eventually.
THis wouldn’t slow down the game and it would really help get rid of flopping.
Stern made it sound like he wanted to implement instant replay to handle flops. They definitely should have an instant replay official for tougher calls, but i think flops should just be an on-the-fly call like a charge call. change of possession. I doubt players will continue flops when it results in turn overs or pine time for them.
I don’t see this slowing down the game, except when a foul or change of possession is incorrect, because we are usually watching the replay on TV before the ball is put into play or the foul shot taken. So, I’d guess it would be a simultaneous view of the play and a seamless review. It shouldn’t take any longer than the ref shrugging his shoulders, looking for help on an out of bounds play he couldn’t see.
If the video ref disagrees, he pushes a button for a light to alert the on court refs to hold. If the refs on the floor have a question and want a review, one of the 3 floor refs can push a review request button on his belt. If a coach wants a review, he can use one of his 2 20 sec timeouts for a review. If the call is changed he gets the 20 sec timeout back.
Think of how quickly a play is reviewed on TV now. The video ref is watching the game in real time too. I’ll bet he could be much quicker, than the 3 refs gathering for a meeting, then slowly strolling over to the TV, setting it up, putting on the earphones, watching, watching, watching, another meeting, a discussing with the coaches and wiping some sweat off their bald head.
It might even speed up play!
Jazzaholic