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Should Hayward start or stay the 6th man?
Posted by: Jake on March 12th, 2013
The author's views are entirely his or her own and may not reflect the views of the Utah Jazz.I think Hayward should start but I want your thoughts Jazz Nation!
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Although Foye has done a pretty good job over the last couple weeks he has stunk it up. Too many starters minutes for his age, he is worn out. I would start Heyward at the two and let him finish the game maybe at the three. Let Foye and Burks do the second unit playing. Somehow get Evans some minutes..Marvin has done pretty well in the second unit. Keep him there with Kanter, Foye, Burks,Sap. 1st unit Favors, Al(for now limited minutes) Heyward, Mo, JYD.
Al Jefferson does not make his teammates better.
Example 1: Gordon Hayward struggled as a starter, but has played much better as a reserve.
Example 2: Marvin Hayward struggled as a starter, but has been playing better as a reserve.
Example 3: DeMarre Carroll was putting up better numbers coming off the bench, then he has as a starter.
Example 4: Derrick Favors was putting up better numbers as a reserve, or starting alongside Millsap, but doesn’t get many offensive looks when he’s on the floor with Al.
Should Hayward start? Yes…he’s a better player then Foye. But, because of the negative effect Jefferson seems to have on his teammates, I would rather Hayward continue to thrive off the bench.
Hayward isn’t starting because Al, Paul and Mo are in contract years and force the offense to go through them.
Mo is the wrong PG for Utah. He doesn’t make the players around him better.
When Hayward is on the floor without Mo the offense runs through him and everything improves, the scoring, the energy level, the defense and the plus minus.
*typo* meant Marvin Williams…not Marvin Hayward…lol
Marvin Hayward = Gordon Hayward with post up skillz? I’ll take it.
Al dominating the ball, but not making his teammates better, (along with being a terrible defender) is probably the entire crux of the ‘trade Al’ or ‘bench Al’ argument. You just can’t have that and win. When has Al Jefferson ever won in his career?
Hayward is more dynamic than Foye, so he needs to be ahead of Foye in the depth chart for sure….but….until Al is benched, and not only so Hayward can start, but so Kanter (Id say he is at this moment playing the best ball) NEEDS and has EARNED the starting Center position. So Kanter, Favors, Marvin/DC (depending on if you need O or D), Hayward, Mo (Id rather have Burks, but that is not gonna happen with Corbin).
The Al Jefferson effect is a real thing and has already been stated above! If people cant see that they are blind.
Some great points added today
I’ll say this Hayward’s natural game in the starting lineup has been affected by iso Al play but not in the same way as Josh Howard, Raja Bell, Marvin Williams or JYD. All those other players were more affected than Hayward, Gordon seemed to at least make a more lasting impression in other ways, his offense wouldn’t be as consistent as it is now, but he would very rarely have no scoring games or just find time to shoot up the occasional 3. Wing players in this Jazz lineup with Al in the game just do not play their natural game, even the JYD who can come off the bench and make an instant impression seems to be more inhibited in the starting lineup.
All those times Gordon was getting starting time playing alongside Al helped him find other ways to be effective on a team level, but I wonder if he is slightly behind his schedule as an individual because of the lack of time plays went towards the wing players. I hate to say this when I think what bench time has done for Kanter and Favors but Gordon might actually have benefited from more bench time when he was younger rather than play so much time with Al. There are times when Hayward looks visibly frustrated he isn’t compared in the same terms as Paul George but playing so much time alongside Al probably hasn’t helped that. That said maybe he will end up being a better teammate in the long term, having had to help so much on the defensive end early on in his career might make just as hungry to do so when he is working with a better defending unit.
Let Al and Paul leave. Play Favors at 4, Kanter at 5. Get a hard-working, well-moving back-up-center. Play a hard-cutting, block-setting offense that moves the ball and has it in Hayward’s hands at key moments (for the decisive pass).
Get our players heads set right again.