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The Realities Of Getting In On A Three Way Trade.
Posted by: Steven on January 31st, 2013
The author's views are entirely his or her own and may not reflect the views of the Utah Jazz.I few days ago when I saw that Toronto wanted to move Calderon on as part of the Rudy Gay trade and saw Memphis unwilling to take him in on themselves I thought the situation was ripe for the Jazz to do the deal that covers for Mo’s injury now and have a ready made back up plan if the Jazz couldn’t do any other PG deal in the summer. Then it didn’t go down that way. To say I wasn’t happy to see Calderon going to the Pistons would be an understatement.
Then I woke up this morning and looked at this way. Every team in the West knows that the Jazz need an upgrade at the PG situation, why would Memphis who is looking to stay ahead of us on the playoff standings sign off on a deal that makes the Jazz stronger? Even if we offered a player that was deemed acceptable in a trade no team that is a rival will sign a deal that makes us stronger. That is the reality of a 3 way trade, not only do you have to offer the right player in exchange but you have to do the deal with the right teams. No GM’s out there like to help their rival’s progress just to get a deal done. Getting Rudy Gay to Toronto was a bigger deal to the Raptors than where Calderon was going, but Memphis would probably have kept Rudy Gay along for the ride rather than help the Jazz get an upgrade within a crucial part of their roster. The calls were probably made but responded with a ‘thanks, but no thanks’.
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I think we have all the pieces we need to be competitive, we just need to play them right. The other day, I was playing chess and managed to win using a knight and a bishop (because my queen was gone) even though my opponent still had a queen. All I’m saying is that you don’t need an all-star (queen) to win a game. If you take each game as a chess match and pit up the right player(s) against their opponent, winning becomes more probable.
@Steven, So your theory is that Memphis pulled off this particular trade with those particular teams out of fear of Jose Calderon playing for the Jazz.
LOL.
Some teams do not like to trade within their conference. Hence the last two Grizz trades were with Cavs, Raptors, Pistons.
well Detroit has 4 PG’s, maybe we can swing something that gets us a better PG still.
Ah, Calderon sucks. What would Calderson do for us that any other pg in the past 10 years besides DWill hasn’t? Meaning, all Calderson would do is keep us mediocre. Yeah, he may get us into the play-offs, but we’re a first round sweep, most likely. Our problems are MUCH bigger than getting a mediocer pg to play for us for the rest of the year. Primarily, we need a go-to player other than Al, and DEFENSE. Calderon brings neither of these things.
@PremiumChicken: Give me one NBA champtionship tema in the past 20 years that didn’t have a “queen” like player on the team. Better yet, give me one NBA champtionship team that didn’t have two queen like players on the team. In the end, what matters is winning a champtionship, and it hasn’t been done since maybe the 04 pistons without a “queen” players. The only teams that come close are the mavericks and the 04 pistons. And the mavs still had an out of this world Dirk, and the pistons had an excellent, overall group as well.
Sorry dude, the analogy doesn’t work if the end goal is to win a championship.
@Steven
What you are saying makes a ton of sense. But then that makes me wonder even more, why teams keep hooking up the Lakers every few years with a fresh batch of superstars for nothing in return. Denver jumped into a deal that would make it all happen. I often wonder why some teams can flip their old or underperforming players every couple years for 10 more seasons of dominance.
This past season hasn’t worked out for the Lakers thankfully, but you know they will end up trading Sacre and Jordan Hill for LeBron James and Norris Cole.
@matt:I’m sure both Stuckey and Bynum are available, but they’re both worse than Calderson, so that’s saying something. Specifically, look at Stuckey’s numbers. He’s getting worse every year, can’t shoot at all, doesn’t steal the ball, has low assist numbers, and the only thing he does decently for a pg is rebound.
Bynum just sucks.
@Ben Williams…… 1 team in the last 20 years without a queen? Okay…..
Detroit Pistons.
Don’t tell me that Billups, Prince, or the Wallace’s were queens.
You challenge him to give one team without 1 queen, then you add “better yet, 2 Queen like players.” You answered your own question by saying Detroit and Dallas which in both cases fit his analogy and destroy your challenge. I also would say San Antonio only had 1 queen like player in Duncan. I would not call Parker or Ginobili queens. Even at his peak, Parker was never really in the convo for best PG. They are EXCELLENT role players, which backs up PremiumChickens analogy to perfection.
Also, it’s freaking CALDERON! Where the heck are you getting the ‘S’?
If you know so much about him, why can’t you spell his name?
It’s possible for teams without a, “Queen” to win championships, sure. Not very likely, but I’ll admit that it’s possible. In fact, the Jazz might just be in a perfect posito-
Oh yeah. We have a kindergartener playing chess. With four queens, this loser couldn’t win a championship. -.-
#FireCorbin
What you say is very true. This is why you don’t usually see trades happen within the different divisions around the deadline.