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KANTER IS GOOD!!!!!!! (AND BURKS!)
Posted by: Omar on July 9th, 2012
The author's views are entirely his or her own and may not reflect the views of the Utah Jazz.First off, Adam Morrison dominated Summer League sooooo….
Anyway, I have read a lot of post and comments talking about Jazz trading for Marshon Brooks….he went 0/10!! Zero%, so in his case does that negate the whole of last season for him??? Or are people just over-reacting to Summer League??
You cannot have it both ways: you cannot complain about Kanter looking green, inexperienced, missing rotations, etc. AND advocating for keeping Al or having Al average 34 minutes per game last year. Ya Knight looked comfortable and was picked later than Kanter in last year’s draft….but Knight averaged 32.3 minutes per game in 66 games, in his rookie season!!! How many did Kanter average, 13.2 in 66 games. Knight got 3x as many minutes as Kanter. Burks 15.9 in 59 games. Because of a lockout seaon, there was not regular in-season practice, so the only practice was playing time in games. And people want to keep Al another year; with Favors getting 30 minutes, Millsap signing extension, Kanter will average like 4 minutes per game. Kanter already commands a double-team. How many starting centers in the NBA command a double-team??? This panicked buyer’s remorse was the same talk going around New Jersey about Favors; then he got a legit shot in Utah and minutes, now hes practicing with team USA, and a possible max contract in the future. Relax.
Kanter’s double digit scoring games 2011-2012 REGULAR season:
Versus Clippers (W)
22 minutes; 4/7 FG; 2-2 FT; 5 rebounds, ZERO turnovers; 10 points
Versus @Mavs (L)
13 minutes; 5/8 FG; 2-2 FT; 7 rebounds; ZERO turnovers; 12 points
Versus Lakers (W)
17 minutes; 5/9 FG; 0-0 FT; 6 rebounds; 1 turnover; 10 points
Versus Heat (W)
16 minutes; 5/8 FG; 1-1 FT; 6 rebounds; ZERO turnovers; 11 points
Versus @Lakers (W)
23 minutes; 6/7 FG; 5-7 FT!; 8 rebounds; 1 turnover; 17 points
Versus @Portland (W)
17 minutes; 4/5 FG; 2-2 FT; 2 rebounds; 1 turnover; 10 points
Versus Portland (W)
34 minutes; 4/8 FG; 4-7 FT!; 10 rebounds; 1 turnover; 12 point
Of the 7 games, 5 were against playoff teams (@Portland was a must win), 1 game was against the NBA champions, 2 games were against the 1st or 2nd best center in the league.
P.S., Burks is good also. Quick side note, in the game the Jazz won against @Lakers, Burks’ stat line:
20 minutes; 7/10 FG; 1/1 3pt FG; 2-3 FT; ZERO turnovers; 17 points.
So if you are looking at ONE Summer League game to examine Kanter, and misperceive him as a center that cannot score and turns the ball over a lot, that is just not accurate at all. Kanter only had 3 games where he had more than 2 turnovers (out of 66 games and all 3 games were 3 turnovers). Kanter still has not had a training camp!! And even if you add 4 playoff games, Kanter has not even played a whole season of basketball, an 82 game season. Even if you include last preseason, the regular season, and the playoffs, and this year’s Summer League, Kanter still wouldn’t have played a whole NBA season!! (2 + 66 + 4 + 5 = 77). Have I mentioned he only averaged 13 minutes per game???!
Kanter:
66 GP (0 started); 13.2 minutes; 3.6 FG attempts; 49.6 FG%; 1.6 FT attempts; 4.2 rebounds; 0.8 turnovers; 4.6 points
2008-09 Roy Hibbert:
70 GP (41 started!!); 14.4 minutes; 6.0 FG attempts; 47.1 FG%; 2.1 FT attempts; 3.4 rebounds; 0.8 turnovers; 7.1 points
2011-12 Roy Hibbert (4 years later, 3 training camps later) Total of 297 games played:
65 started; 29.8 minutes; 10.3 FG attempts; 49.7 FG%; 3.7 FT attempts; 8.8 rebounds; 2.0 turnovers; 12.8 points
It has taken Hibbert 297 REGULAR season games to get a max contract. He averaged 2 turnovers per game last year and only 12.8 points, but because Hibbert controls the game and the paint, his value is a lot more than points and turnovers. Kanter will not lead the league in points, so if you are scrutinizing Kanter because he is not an elite scorer yet, you are looking for some other center….Hakeem Abdul Olajuwon, because that is the only center that is an elite scorer and paint dominator.
Dwight Howard for his career averages 3.1 turnovers. In his rookie year, starting all 82 games and averaging 32.6 minutes per game, he only averaged 12.0 point per game. Scoring and turnovers are not the be-all-end-all of being a franchise center, especially after, not even a full season of basketball!! And only averaging 13 minutes per game.
You cannot have it both ways: either we develop Kanter (TRADE AL) or everyone needs to stop complaining about him looking inexperienced……HE IS INEXPERIENCED!!! And haters are gonna hate on Burks, Burks plays his best when it counts, not in Summer League, so keep hating I guess.
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It’s all about experience and confidence for Kanter. Hes got the skills to be a starter in this league. Don’t understand why people are freaking out over a summer league game.
I think Alec Burks is fine. But, point guard is not his natural position.
My best case career scenario for Kanter: 12 points, and 8 rebounds a night.
Jefferson, Millsap, and Favors are all better then that. So why lose one of them, in order to keep Enes?
FYI:
Al Jefferson’s 5 worst scoring games last year came against the Lakers (2x), Clippers, Mavs, Blazers.
Kanter’s highest scoring games last year came against Lakers (2x), Clippers, Mavs, Blazers (2x)….and the HEAT!
I think if anything people really need to step back and try to look at how Kanter and Burcs are playing more objectively. Too often fans create expectations that are simple unrealistic, often based on things like draft status ect. (Marvin Williams is a good example of that)
Everyone knew Kanter was going to be a long term project when we drafted him, how could you expect anything less from a guy that was 19, and hadnt played the game in over a year? Really I think Kanter will develope into a solid to good starting center at best and servicable backup at worst. The problem for many people is it will take a lot of time, but to this point we know Kanter’s rebounding rate is phenominal, he has a solid NBA body (not a fantastic athlete but not bad either) and he’s an incredibly driven player hard worker.
Just simmer down, and try to negate that knee jerk reaction so many fans are prone too, time is on Kanters side still at this point, let him have it, it will be the best judge of him in the end.
Kanter’s D >>> Al’s D
Kanters’ P&R D >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>A’s P&R D.
Kanter’s FT attempts >>> Al’s P&R D.
Kanter 4M < Al's 15M
Kanter will average, by 2013-2014, 12 points, 12 rebounds, if he gets 25+ minutes per game next year.
Kanter only scored more then 12 points in one of those games, when he BLEW UP for 17 points!!
C’mon Omar…you got to do more then that to persuade me that Kanter is going to ever be more then an average player in this league.
We would be absolutely fine moving forward with Jefferson, Millsap, Favors, and Evans as our four bigs.
If Kanter could net us a young point guard for the future, that would help our overall roster.
Although it has only been a short while since they have played starting a new year takes a while to get rid of the cobwebs.Adam Morrison has a ring and is a five year vet. But again will probably not stick on a NBA roster.This is why they have summer league then pre season camp. Lets see what these players can do around Thanksgiving..
OFF TOPIC: I’m very happy that I won’t have to watch Devin Harris play soft on the defensive end, and inconsistent on the offensive end again this season.
He was the one player, above all, that I wanted to see replaced. I’m also glad Raja has left the building. Now here is to hoping that we don’t resign Miles, or Howard.
Kanter is so raw its insane. He only picked up a basketball 5 years ago, didn’t play a year of college ball, and still was the 3rd pick in the draft. We need 2 more years of him playing until we can even start to judge him. His upside is LARGE. he is so strong and i have never seen him get pushed around by anyone in the leauge. Even if he never starts his toughness will be invaluable off the bench and he will be shutting down bigmen for years to come.
@JMC, did you not read the post??? Hibbert averaged 12.8 points per game last year and is getting a MAX contract, I guess those GMs are just as crazy as am. Points are not the be-all-end-all of centers, controlling the paint is, Kanter can do that via rebounding and good P&R D. Did you not notice Kanter’s minutes to points ratio????!!! Come, on people. I think most people just look at box scores, now I think people just look at point totals. in those games, against opponents Al struggles against, Kanter averaged 1 point per 1.8 minutes. Thats pretty damn awesome, actually.
@LK, a lot of jobbers have championship rings, just look at the end of the bench on the Chicago Bulls 90s dynasty, Jud Buechler has 3 rings, dominating Summer League is not indicative of a pro career.
Exactly @Van,
Roy Hibbert 2004-2008 Georgetown
Roy Hibbert 2008-2012 Pacers
Roy Hibbert is 25 years old
Roy Hibbert 297 NBA regular season games played (16 post-season)
Kanter 2010-2011 Kentucky DNPs
Kanter 2011-2012 Jazz (66 games at 13.2 minutes per game)
Kanter 20 years old
Kanter 66 NBA regular season games played (4 Post-season)
Exactly @Mason
He has potential but we need to keep jefferson for a few more years at least until kanter is ready to take over at center. If we throw him into it now he wont reach his ful potential hhe is ready for a starting role by any means
Im am absolutely not against Kanter splitting time at the Center position; however, I think it is best for him to start with the 4 best players on the team. With Kanter as the 5th option he only has to worry about cleaning glass and playing D. That only would get him a double-double off of penetration and dump-offs. In those games I listed above, Kanter averaged 1 rebound per 45 seconds. 2 of those games against Bynum.
We all need to remember that Kanter was playing with the second unit; how do you think Al would do with them???
Al
Favors
CJ
Bell
Watson
How many points do you think he would average? Put Kanter with the starting 5 and see how well he plays. Id start Kanter and give him at least 20 minutes.
I have to say that I agree with Omar on this one………If there is anything that Jazz brass are good at or have been good at in the past, it’s developing young talent. We have let a lot of people go that we developed who have went on to make lots of money (Mo Williams for example), however the opposite is true. The Jazz have let people go who have developed more after their time with the jazz (kris humphries, deshawn stevenson, and I am sure there are others). I think we just need to give our young guys the proper time and minutes to develope. I just hope that Kanter develops to be more than a back-up center.
Yes lets keep Kanter getting 10 mins a game. That will really help him develop!!!!
Jefferson Rookie Stats: 6.7 PPG, 4.4 RPG in 14.8 MPG
Kanter Rookie Stats: 3.4 PPG, 4 RPG in 10.8 MPG
So what in 4 extra mins on the floor he got 3 more PPG?? So why do we not shut up about him playing bad in a SUMMER LEAGUE GAME!!!!
He played with freakin Blake Ahearn who could not pass the ball worth crap. Maybe stick him with a PG that can get him the ball and a coaching staff that can stick him in a situation that is best for him and every other player and not best for one player
Absolutely Jared, WE ACTUALLY AGREE!! haha. those are perfect examples, and Maynor and Brewer, yet we kept CJ!!! How long did we give CJ?!!! 7 years before everyone stopped believing in him, Kanter after a shortened year and ONE SUMMER LEAGUE game, people are ready to dump him and call him a bust??!!
We need to look at Kanter in context, not just the play of one game, so stop buying what some negative people are saying about Kanter, who just want to dump on him because he look not great on ONE SUMMER LEAGUE tape.
Plus all the hype on tv!! My God, they showed replays of Drummond getting 2 blocks (on a double team against Kanter, mind you), but they never showed replays of Kanter one-on-one stuffing Drummonds step back, and his rotation over to swat a ball off the glass. It all hype. Just because people and tv are saying Drummond is impressive and Kanter is a disappointment does not make it real. We have to look at it in context.
While I still think that Kanter will turn out to be a great player I disagree with the meaning behind your opening statement Omar. Its one thing if a player excels against poor competition and then flops in the NBA but its another to flop against poor competition. It was not good for Kanter at all. Say what you want but I think he will struggle this year. I dont think we should give up on him but maybe giving Al a 3-4 yr deal might be a good idea.
I watched the whole game on tv and walked away impressed with Drummond and dissapointed with Kanter. Drummond was the 9th pick with no NBA experience and outplayed the 3rd pick with a year under his belt. Kanter also put out hardly any defensive effort in the 2nd half. It made Al look like a defensive workhorse.
Haha I know Omar, it’s weird. haha. I did want to say this though. I do think that there are certain players that have developed more after their time with the jazz because of the system that we have here. I say that because I think CJ will develop more in an iso system, not one that involves lots of movement. I think CJ can be a good player in Dallas or anywhere else that runs the type of sets that suit him. NOT the flex offense. I hope the same is not true for Murphy. Just from watching him today, I feel like he is a lot more of a natural scorer and I don’t think that will be the case for him, at least I hope not.
@JRN I too watched the whole game and my opinion was that they were both really, really raw. I don’t know if you have played basketball before or not BUT, what sucks is when you know you are better than a team and you know you should be, and even after all that, you play down to the level of your competition. At times, also, you can play better when you play against better competition. I think the trashketball that you see in the summer league is NOT a good place to make any sure fire determination. I respect your opinion though.
And you dont think that Al doesnt control not only the paint but the tempo of the game? His iso ball completely puts the tempo of the game into the Jazz hands. It may be overused but its a VERY effective tool in controlling the game. Especially since he can get his shot off on anybody. He controls the paint also on D with 2 blocks a game. He is a very good on ball defender. He might be lacking on P&R but thats when you move to a zone.
@JRN Kanter did not flop against poor competition. The one thing that people said would translate immediately to the NBA with Drummond was his defense. So he is not a push over on the defensive end. Do not act like he was going up against the last pick in the draft.
@JRN does anybody not include.. Hibbert,Duncan,Gasol,Bynum,Pryzbilla, and many others???
Al makes us one of the most boring teams to watch in the NBA. Iso ball is boring and thats all he plays. Kanter will get better. Favors didnt show anything in his first season now he is a beast. Sign a cheaper centre than Al, play some good pffense and allow our other talented players to pick up the slack.
@JRN…..haha you move into a zone when the other team starts running the pick and roll? If Al plays 35 minutes a game, should we play a zone for 3 quarters?
Well said @Jared.
@JRN, im just saying one game does not make a career, not even 1 SL makes a career, thats why I pointed to Adam Morrison who way back dominated SL, and Brooks who had an 0/10 game 30 out of 30 GMs. tonight would take Brooks over Morrison. Plus Knight was running the point, he averaged 32 Minutes per game last year in 66 games. As opposed to the whole Jazz team that looked out of synch and playing iso ball, except when Stockton ran the point and guarded Knight Jazz went on a nasty run, then.
I gotta say, not being biased at all, I liked how Stockton played. He did give us a nice boost. More so than Ahearn and Green.
I have been a Kanter fan from the get go, he is raw and a good hard nosed player I totaly agree with Omar, he has way big potentiial and as already mentioned, we need atleast another 2 years with him before we can even BEGIN to gauge him, get real Jazz nation, this guy kicks ass, we give him away,,like so many stupid Jazz decisions when he is on an apposing team as an All-Star averaging 18 a game along with 9 rebounds and 2 blocks and tearing the Jazz apart we will be nodding our heads as to why we didnt keep him,,I hope this does not happen
Kanter is very raw but he has what many NBA players do not, an Elite NBA skill(maybe two if we start to see his jump shot).
He may only average 15pts a game for his career(which is fine) but if he averages 15 rebounds a block and a steal with that we have a really solid player.
@Brandon Allen, ya if we gave up on Kanter, that would be a huge mistake. Centers can dominate without scoring. Everyone his jumping on Kanter for turnovers, Hibbert averaged 2 a game last year and Howard averages 3 per game for his career. Kanter only have the up-and-under some say, ya well in 8 years, how many moves does Dwight Howard have??
@Jared, totally agreed, Stockton looked calm and feed Kanter well. They had a nice two-man game going.
@Browncoat, your right on. Really the next evolution of Kanter’s game is not becoming an elite scoring machine, but passing out of the double, triple, quadruple team. Rarely in SL do I see double-teams, Kanter got quadruple teamed. And how big is Drummond, Kanter moved him like nothing, they had to send help all game long. Kanter is so strong he demands a double team, once he learns how to pass on point, he can dominate with one move.
The one thing I will say Kanter would do well with is kicking out and then re posting and getting the ball back. That would help hm to get some people off of him
@Dallan, ya and it will be easier to move someone without having to dribble, to get deeper position in the post. When he made that pass to Stockton, Kanter took a few dribbles making a move to the basket and then kick out, he drew four guys into the paint. That would help him if he would make a move to the basket and pass out mid-move, with a live dribble. Teams would collapse hard and leave the whole parameter open shooters.
Ya Omar and that is something Al has still not learned and this is 9th year
Hahaha @Dallan, and people are jumping on Kanter 73 games including pre, regular, post, and SL.
kanter needs to pop out and shoot. He looked great defensively. Where the hell is his minutes though? He should be in all game, same with Burkes. Stockton out did Ahearn by a mile.
@Jared
No. You move to a zone when they begin to attack Al’s P&R defense. Especially when Millsap is in the game. Favors can help Al especially by taking the guy that is better in a P&R situation. It will always be a weakness of his and cant be totally compensated for but I feel like Ty did a poor job on adjustments last year.
Also it wasnt just that Kanter played down to Drummond’s level but that he played a lot worse than him. Drummond was nothing special but he definitely impacted the game more than Kanter did. I dont feel like I am overreacting to this at all. I still think Kanter should get more minutes than last year. I am just saying that if anybody thinks he can start for us this year they are nuts. Just hurry up and re-sign Al Jefferson KOC and then we can all rest assured that we have a playoff team on our hands.
From the way everybody talks it seems that Al would have the ball all the time every time. Too bad he was 33rd in the league in usage rate. That means he touched the ball less than Demarcus Cousins, Corey Maggette, Jordan Crawford, Antwan Jamison, David Lee, Nick Young, and Chris Kaman. He was only one spot above Drew Gooden. So Omar and Dallan keep on exaggerating all of his flaws but you cannot back up your positions with statistical data. Most metrics have him as a top 15 player in the league last year. Al was a statistical wonder for us. But Lets just rely on your guys’ memory of last year instead.
Um not sure what you are looking at but almost every advanced offensive metric has him ranked below average or average compared to PF/C
Totally agree with JRN5150. ZONE defense eliminates some of Al’s defensive deficiencies.
As for the Spurs series, I think Ty did a terrible job of adjusting and trying to attack the Spurs weaknesses and hide ours. I still feel we should have started Favors (or at least played him many more minutes) against Duncan, and played Al against Splitter or other bench guys. They would have BOTH been more effective as Duncan couldn’t handle Favor’s athleticism, but he owned Al’s post moves defensively, and Favors would have been better defending the Parker-Duncan pick and roll as well.
Kanter will be fine. He’ll develop nice and steady. He’s already good defensively, gets good position, good footwork, he has a nice mid-range shot (that Corbin never puts him in a position to use), and he rebounds well. His flaws with his post game can be fixed and will be.
Kanter and Burks looked disinterested in game 1.
But, game 2 is night and day.
Fire up the TiVo.
Jazzaholic
@JRN…..I totally agree with you. I don’t hate Al at all. Would I rather have Al than Jarron Collins? Hell ya! I won’t go as far to say that Al is a cancer on offense. As far as defense goes, you can’t switch to a zone defense to cover up ALL of Al’s defensive flaws. When you are not very good at something, it is going to come out in the course of the game, especially when you are playing so many minutes. It doesn’t matter whether you are playing zone defense or man to man.
I also agree that Ty needs to work on in game adjustments and substitutions. There were many times that he would take a player out right after he made a few good plays in a row. Ty is learning too.
Here are some of his advanced metric stats from last year out of all the starters in the league(25+ mins per game and 30+ games played) not just PF/C’s but everybody:
Turnover rate(1st), defensive rebounding rate(7th), Total rebounding rate(16th) Efficiency(9th), Win Score(12th), Alternate Win Score(11th), PER(11th), Alternate PER(14th)
Go look them up yourself at Hoopdata.com. Its an ESPN affiliate website for advanced b-ball stats.
@JRN, being 33rd usage rate is actually an indictment on Al. Usuage rate includes Free Throws, and is divided by minutes played. So the fact that Al doesnt get to the line, and that f
act that he plays 34 minutes per game. It also includes assist, so you can imagine why Als usage rate is not high.
Basically it says Al plays a lot of minutes, but doesnt get to the line. Al’s doesnt get assists, and the one good thing, he doesnt turn the ball over (ill give him that). Thats what usuage rate is.
USG: Usage Rate – the number of possessions a player uses per 40 minutes. Usage Rate = {[FGA + (FT Att. x 0.44) + (Ast x 0.33) + TO] x 40 x League Pace} divided by (Minutes x Team Pace)
It only includes FG attempts, if it included the seconds on a shot clock per touch, Al would be top 1 or 2. That should be someones summer project, find out the average of seconds he holds the ball per shot clock.
Melo vs. Al, id guess 16 seconds per shot clock.
How can you say those are below average for PF/C’s when they are above average for anybody. There are at least 150 starting players in the league and Al ranks in the 90th percentile in many statistical categories. How can you say that we are better without him? I cant seem to find any scenario where trading a top 15 guy in the league is beneficial for a team. Unless he is a headcase and cancer to the locker room. But Al Jefferson is the polar opposite of that. He is a guy that players look up to. He is our leader on the floor. He is a guy that is currently mentoring our future. He is a guy that has missed 5 games in 2 years on the Jazz because he wants to win more than anything and will fight through injury. Please tell me why we should trade him again?
Because he makes 15M and is in last year of contract.
If Al would get paid 7-8M, come off the bench, and only get 20-25 minutes per game, then ya I would not mind keeping him.
His P&R defense is atrocious. Top 3 teams in West:
OKC: Westbrook, Harden
Spurs: Ginobili, Parket
Lakers: Nash
If we keep Al and he gets 34 minutes, best Jazz can do is 2ndt round. Plus offensively Jazz need some motion and Iso ball is easy to defend, and it doesn’t utilize our athleticism, cuz offense runs 85% through Al.
I am definitely NOT giving up and Kanter or Burks. I’ve always said Kanter won’t be able to be a good starting center until 2013-14 at the EARLIEST. He’s a long term project, but he will be worth the wait.
Still, I’d like to see him play a minimum of 12 minutes a game. He needs time on the court, knocking bodies with opposing NBA big men to truly develop. There’s only so much a training staff and team skirmishes can teach you.
Burks is way too selfish of a player to be a point guard. That idea is quite frankly laughable. Still, he’s going to be a good wing player.
Idk where all this Burks hating is coming from. Your not really hating @Nick, but others are. First Summer League game, Burks deferred, passed up shots, and wasnt aggressive and people say he played poorly, is disinterested, and too cool for school, he comes out 2 day and is aggressive gets to the rim scores 30, and now hes selfish. Tomorrow, now that he established himself hes gonna defer and let other guys get off, and then people will say hes inconsistent. Burks can get points when he wants. I am positive the staff told Burks to be aggressive and got 30. Hes just doing what is asked.
The reason he didnt have assist is because he got to the rim so easily. The wrong basketball play would be to pass up a lay up to get a shot gtom the field. Burks can be our Westbrook/Harden.
I agree with nick. I never liked the thought of Burks at PG because I think it limits his ceiling. He can be an all star at SG but I dont see it at the point. He would be a poor mans Derrick rose and that style really doesnt fit the flex offense from the point guard position. Its a match made in heaven for him at SG though. Keep him there. Same goes for Murphy. KOC said in an interview that playing him at PG is not something they are interested in.
@Omar
you really think that after the Core 4 develop around Jefferson we wont be a contender? If its 2014 and we have Hayward, Burks, Favors, and Al playing around 30 min a game with Kanter giving us 24 off the bench you see us as a second round team?
@JRN yes. J. Nelson carved up Al P&R D, so imagine Okc, Spurs, Nash. No chance. And the aspect that you value about Al, are negated against Perkins, Duncan, Bynum, Gasol. So on one end Jazz will be giving up 3s cuz Al cant guard the P&R, so players have to help to protect the paint and leave shooters open, and on the other side he wont score against Perkins, Duncan, Bynum, Gasol.
This is exactly what happened 4 game sweep against Spurs, and a ton of games during the season against Spurs (I think Ginobili went 7-7 from 3 New Years Eve), Magic, Suns, Mavs, Okc, etc.
In a 7 game series, Al will have more bad games than good, and every game he will struggle in P&R. We would lose in 7 at best. Al’s D is exceptional bad.
Al is a top 15 player in the league?? Holy hell you need to get a freakin mind dude!! You wanna use PER as a advanced stat to go off? Cause it is seriously flawed I love Jeremy Evans but his PER is almost a 20 which puts him right under Deron,Nash, and higher then Ibaka,Hibbert and Noah. So do you really wanna use that??
How about PPS (points per shot) which by the way the Jazz FO love..
Guess who are the only ones worse then Al in this metric? CJ, Howard, Tinsley,Carrol,Watson,Ahearn so the people who are Inept at offense are the only ones worse.. And guess what the people on our team are not offensive juggernauts so guess how Al fairs against the rest of the league not good!!
You wanna talk about rebounding? Well guess what when Al goes off the floor our rebounding improves by a great deal offensively and defensively. So how do ou explain that for a top 15 player in the league?
Our worst defensive lineups which were worse then the worse teams in the NBA per 100 mins all had Al in them!
Why should we trade him all of the above and I will continue if you want more. Top 15 player in the NBA oh my gosh you are idiotic
Nash averaged 12 assists per game against Utah, one game he had 16, and thay was with Gortat, Frye, Dudley, Hill. Imagine the Lakers???!
Jack had 11 assist
Vasquez had 10 assist
Ridnour had 13 assist
Nelson had 11 assist
I wont even list Rondo, Rose. Nash, Parker, Kidd, who all had several double digit assist games. Al’s D is really good horrible. Jazz held opponents to 93.8 points in games Al had DNPs
*really really horrible.