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AK vs Diaw: Part II
Posted by: Shae on September 25th, 2010
The author's views are entirely his or her own and may not reflect the views of the Utah Jazz.Here are some positives I see if the Jazz do make the trade. I’m not condoning the trade. I’d rather AK hang around. I happen to like AK and I feel, as does KOC as he has stated, that he’s crucial to the success of the team. I do, however want to mention a few things about Diaw.
First off, Coach Brown, the coach of the Bobcats, likes Diaw and that’s always a good sign. If I’m not wrong Diaw started more at center than Tyson Chandler. That shows he trusts him.
Secondly, this gives more playing time to the other wings, especially Gordon Hayward. He will need time to develop like any other rookie, and am one of those people that thinks Hayward will be good for the Jazz. This also gives a little more time to CJ who could use the minutes. Raja, who could also benefit from AK’s departure. He will make an impact defensively.
Thirdly, Diaw and Bell played together in Phoenix and they apparently played well together. It’s always helpful to have players that have chemistry. There’s team chemistry but then there is also player to player chemistry, like Stockton and Malone, or Williams and Boozer. So that could be an advantage.
Fourthly, Diaw would likely come off the bench which would boost their productivity and add experience.
Lastly, Diaw is a good passer and a good passer is always a welcome sight in Utah. Not that AK wasn’t a terrific passer also, but Diaw is a little better. Diaw has averaged 4 assists per game over his career, and in 2006 he averaged over 6 a game and that was in Phoenix along side Steve Nash. Wow.
I’m not crazy about the trade, but there are some benefits. I’d be more amenable to the trade if we got Diaw and Arron Afflalo though. In the end I say stick with AK.
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The thing is, the Jazz won a first round playoff series last season on the road without AK (and for the most part, without Memo)against a talented Nuggets team. It’s not like the Jazz organization is going to fall to pieces if AK isn’t here anymore. As long as Jerry Sloan is the coach, and you have talents like Deron Williams, Al Jefferson, Paul Millsap, Memo Okur, Raja Bell, C.J. Miles, Gordon Hayward, and possibly Boris Diaw (who is fully capable of putting up stats along the lines of 10pts, 5 rebs, and 4 assists a night)the Jazz are more then capable of matching up with most teams in the west besides the Lakers (who haven’t been defeated by ANY western conference team in a playoff series in the last three years). Home court would make us even more dangerous, but we’ve proven we can win series on the road in recent years as well. Were going to be just fine Jazz fans (whether we keep AK or bring in Diaw). The sky is not falling. Our team is still young. Tomic is waiting in the wings. The future looks bright.
My only problem with the trade is, how many Boris Diaw’s in the league are there? And how many Andrei Kirilenko’s are there? I feel like we are giving up so much (esp. to our conference rival) and getting a very average (or below avg.) player in return. We just don’t need another 6′8 PF/C that is going to get owned by bigger posts, and we can’t afford to lose our best positional defender.
I think the biggest thing you missed Shae is that AK will spend 25% of the season in the sidelines wearing a suit and tie due to injury. He’ll spend another 25% of the season not at full strenth. He’ll be good to go for about 50% the season, which is great, but it’s only half the season. Now Diaw was healthy 82/82 games last season, and if I’m not mistaken, that’s 100%. And if I know my mathematics, which I don’t, I do believe that 100% > 50%
For the last time sean, Boris is not another 6′8 PF/C, his reel position is SF, and there is no many Boris Diaw in the league, players at 10pts 5rbds 5ass are pretty rare….
Ummmm I just was wondering Diaw a better passer i’m not sure about that. AK had almost 5 assist a game to Diaws 3 i think AK has better court vision then Diaw I can’t count how many times AK made the top ten passes of the night on NBA TV it seemed like every time i turned it on he was on there. Boris does have a shot over AK and plays more physical then AK but, what power and, small forward doesn’t. Stats are comparable so i’ll throw them out the only thing I hate to see the jazz give up is the versitility AK can play 1 through 4 amazingly Diaw can paly the 4 and maybe the 3. To me you can’t replace a guy like that. even if he is out for more games then Diaw is.
As far as getting playing time for the wings Miles will see it Hayward won’t he is a Rookie a young Rookie for that matter Jerry isn’t going to give him much time as we have all seen in the past. it doesn’t work that way in a jerry system. If your a rookie you get benched learn the game and, system and next year or the year after get you opportunity to shine. He play with Raja his coach likes hime is all positive things but, the rest is a little ify to me
french dude sorry to say but, I don’t care if you think his real position is a small he has played Power for most of his career. in AZ and with the Bobcats it wasn’t a true power forward because they run the court a lot and, offensively he will be alright playing a 3 it’s the deffensive side of the ball he is use to palying against guys in the low block and, i think it will be difficult for him to play up front. and AK gets 10,5,5 just like Boris does it is rare but, we have a guy that does the same thing with AK
Once again Trevor, please do not compare statistics obtained in different environments. Jazz basketball is an assist prone system, while Charlotte’s is far more a selfish system. It’s easier to make an assist in Utah than in Charlotte. We will never know what would have been AK’s stat in Diaw’s shoes last year, playing the same time at the same moments of the game, and vice-versa. All this comparison has no scientific foundation at all.
Diaw has been formed as a 3, no doubt about that. He had to adapt himself to the 4 spot because of G Wallace’s game. To be honnest, many people here in France (such as former coach Jacques Monclar) believe that he is more efficient at the 4. Let’s say he is versatile at the 3-4, which is what we also need.
Now, if sending AK to the nuggets for this year is the only way to get rid of Melo in the west, if it allows the Jazz to gather an unselfish – efficient – regular player like Diaw, save a huge amount of money, etc … then I am sorry but I think it’s a very very good move.
Once again Henri but, in the NBA Diaw is a 4 that’s what he play not only in the Bobcats system but, also for the Suns. you say it’s diffrent for every team but, anyone can get assist no matter what setup you run no matter the situation or nothing it’s all about court vision and, as AK has shown he is much more better at that. Larry brown isn’t going to tell Boris to hold on the the ball if someone else has a better shot I don’t care what kind of offence you run that isn’t smart basketball. Playing with the Suns to it’s all about passing why didn’t he get more assist there then AK did if the Suns offense is designed to push and pass the ball? The only decent stat that anyone has giving me is the money other then that unless you plan on moving Boris or Milsap for some one else after this trade is just plain stupid to make the deal at all. You talk about versitility with Boris AK can play any where on the court isn’t that Versital? I’m just saying unless your about money and, not about wins it’s a crazy deal to make. I’m a Jazz fan first an AK fan second and, just looking at the best insterest for the Jazz putting everything else aside besides wins and, making it to the finally no going off money or anything else just wins. ak gets you more then what Diaw does your no just loosing a guy that get 12 pionts 5 assist and 5 rebounds a game your loosing a guy that flat out gets you wins. We showed we can beat Denver with Melo I’m looking for a guy that can beat LA and, Ak being long taller and, quicker can not shut down but, keep the best player in the league in Kobe Bryant in check I haven’t seen Boris or to many players for that matter be able to do that besides AK. It’s a proven fact that only one or two guys can realy get under that guys skin and, throw him off his game and, they both for now play for utah with Raja and, AK why do you want to give that up? because unless something crazy happens we have no chioce but, to play the Lakers to even get a shot at the title
Trevor, AZ and Bobcats is NOT most of his career !!!! and Diaw is clearly a better passer than AK, i hope you don’t think the better passer is the number one of a top ten on TV……his problem his whole career was his unselfishness, he allways search the better pass…….
that’s make me mad to see a bunch of fans talking about a player they just have discovered since 2 days like they knew him since his birth….. compare him to Millsap or Elson is just craziness, Boris is a 3, can play 4, but can Play 1 or 2, like henri said totally versatile
But at the end like i said before, AK for Diaw, and nothing more, i’m not for it
I never compared Boris to a Paul or Elson he can pull it out side and, shoot the ball something those two would never be able to do. I watched Diaw Play for year in AZ granted I never seen him play over in Europe but, from what i have seen up in the NBA from Diaw is he isn’t half the passer AK is. AK may make some mistakes as far as forcing the ball to where a player can’t get it but, as far as court vision and, knowing where his players are going to be at any given time i haven’t seen to many people better then AK I’m not jsut going off top ten passes on the TV on talking about the passes he makes at any given time. The TV thing was just thrown out there because I thought it was crazy on some of the ways he gets the ball to players on the court. Anyways I think Boris on offence would be more then camable to bring the ball down and, set it up but, he can’t play deffence on a 1 or 2 they will blow right passed him every time. He is quick but, not AK quick. I fully agree with you ifBoris is all you can get for AK it’s craziness to trade him I think he is worth a lot more then that it’s just kind of frustraing that the jazz would settle for a trade like that instead of looking at other options to go with
Not you, but in the hundred post since 2 days, i read this in half of them….
It’s sad isn’t everyone sees his size and, the first thing to pop into their minds is a Paul Milsap kind of player. I am trying to think of any other reasons why people would compare Boris to Paul and, that’s all I can think of he isn’t a paul he actually has range and, speed and some front court abilities especially on offence and, paul is a post player through and through it’s frustrating but, hey not much you can do about it fans just need to study the rest of league and, it’s players out better before making remarks such as that
it’ll be a good trade…we’ll have a good chance this and next if this goes through…but i think,we could have better options in exchange for ak later
Trevor you’re so right my friend…
French dude I remember a year ago on here I agreed with about 90 percent of what you have to say. I’m glad someone else think in a way I do i start to wonder that beause everytime i get on here it seems like everyone thinks I’m crazy but, yeah any ways sorry to get off the subject. Mcnardo it’s not a good deal just for Boris you have to throw oter players in on the Deal and, Ross isn’t cutting it for me I still liek th idea of holding on to AK for a year unless you can get something better then Just Boris and, Ross sign him to anther contract and, watch his trade value go through the roof. if a team can get AK for 4 or 5 million a year we can get a lot for him.
Waouuuh, agreed with 90 percent of what i said……. i think you’re the only one…. in definitive maybe you’re crazy
It’s not only AK for Diaw. It’s also:
- Melo in the East
- salary difference giving flexibility
- injury-prone difference
Of course if there is another valuable player in the deal, it’s better. But as it is now, I’m for it.
If AK is as Utah-lover as it is said to be, he’ll resign next year for 8 million dollars. If not, this move will be seen as one of the best ever done by KOC.
@ Trevor where are u getting your stats?? AK averaged 2.7 assists last seasons to Diaw’s 4……..
Diaw carrer assist average is 4 assist’s a game…..
AK carrer assist per game is 2.8……
Trevor you are looking at AK’s rebounds @ 4.6
also Diaw wins the rebound battle at 5.2 per game… Just saying Diaw is the superior assist man!
AM better the diaw but i think ak is better than diaw
how many more minutes per game did Diaw play chad?
Does not matter look at career, don’t get me wrong I love AK let’s just not be biased we have watched ak for 9 years, we are not suns or Charlotte fans we don’t watch Diaw on a regular basis, we have no idea how good he could be in Utah, with Dwill and Sloan!
It’s interesting to me how everyone’s argument is that AK is a defensive stopper on guys like Kobe and Melo. How effective was AK’s defense on Melo in the playoffs last season? Oh, that’s right; he was on the bench, tough to guard guys from the bench. Also, how effective was he on Bryant? Oh wait, he was never 100% for that series and was largely ineffective.
I’m not 100% convinced either way on this trade. I can see pros and cons to both sides of it. All I’m trying to say is that to be effective defensively and offensively in the NBA you can’t be sitting on the bench or playing at around 70% most of the season. If AK can stay healthy he’ll definitely be the better option, but if he’s hurt a good portion of the season we’ll be wishing we had a guy like Diaw. It’s a tough decision that’s for sure. I’m just glad I’m not the guy that has to make it.
I am comparing Boris Diaw to Paul Millsap because look at their shot charts. They are amazingly similar. Both score in the same places around the floor, minus 1 three a game from Boris. They aren’t identical, obviously. And French Dude, HE IS A PF. He cannot match up against a SF on defense, so on occasion, if we are playing an unusual lineup, he will play at the 3. Most of his career he HAS played at PF. Do some research. BORIS DIAW HAD AN EFFICIENCY RATING OF 12 LAST SEASON, Ak’s was 18. Need I say more?
PS-anyone arguing that AK isn’t the defender we’re making him up to be loses all credibility. He is one of the best defenders in the league, without question. He is a great team defender as well, since most of his blocks come from help defense.
I like Diaw. He’s Ok. I just feel like AK brings so much to the table and Diaw is an everage player at best.
AK is injured a lot, but guess what, if there is a chance he is healthy for the playoffs, that is a chance I’d rather take than a guarentee Boris Diaw will be healthy for the playoffs.
Why are we comparing career stats? Guess who averaged 7 points a game his rookie year? Kobe.
Compare their last season, or MAYBE last couple of seasons. They are very similar except for 2 glaring differences, AK played less minutes, which makes AK much more efficient.
Reasons to compare Diaw to Millsap
1-They play the same position
2-They score most their points around the basket
3-They guard the same position of defense (in fact go back and watch the last time we played them, Diaw and Millsap were ALWAYS matched up together when they were in)
4-Same size, and physicallity
5-defensively their stats/minute are similar (blks, stls)
6-Just cause Millsap doesn’t shoot threes and Boris does means nothing, of course there are differences.
7-their contracts are more similar, (Diaw is actully more expensive than Millsap and that is another reason I don’t like this)
Reasons to compare Diaw to AK
1-they are being traded
2-they both shoot 3’s a little
3-uh…..
Sean, i don’t need to do research moron ! i watch Boris play since he won the Junior European Championship in 2000, i know Boris better than you, and i don’t need to do research like you to talk about him, and if you think he’s similar to Millsap you definitely don’t know anything about basketball
Ak makes 10 million more than Diaw which makes Ak less efficient hurt and missing games..
First off this post is about positive things about Boris Diaw on the very slim chance he will ever be a jazz man (ps I think this trade will NOT happen and i would rather keep AK) that being said i think Boris is a lot more versatile then people are giving him credit for, he can handle the ball like a point guard, he back cuts and moves without the ball and passes as well AK, also Boris finishes around the basket a little more efficient. His D is not quite on AK’s lvl but it is decent. People talk about AK’s intangibles the things you don’t see him do to win ball games and i AGREE 100% he is a stud!! But over the past few years his injurys and emotions and minutes have got in his way.
you say the word Chad, versatile, Boris is one of the rare players capable to play at the 5 positions on the field….
The New York Post is just reporting the deal is done, and
the trade will go through.
can you post the link ?
Chad dude i actually live in AZ i have had the opportunity to watch Boris play hundreds of times for the minutes he gets from wat i have seen he isn’t as productive as what AK is and the minute kind of do matter buddy sorry to say you wrong on that part. If theres two plays out there and they both put up ten piont a game eccept one does it in 15 minutes a game and the other does it in ten guess who i would be wanting on my team first? You guessed right the one that does it in ten becausehe can do more with less time on his hands wich tell s me two things. He is better if i need a spark off the bench because he works faster and, also what could this player actually do if i did give him 15 minute a game like the other guy.
Jason man does it say the final detials in that article
AK’s career MPG are 30.8 with only 2.7 assists
Boris Diaw career minutes 30 with 4 assists
Busted..
If the Jazz were to find a way to get Favors away from Denver in this trade coming from the Nets…..I wouldn’t be so upset.
They should really find a way to do this.
If they could land Favors,i would be on board.
Apparently, what’s holding all this up is that Philly also has an offer on the table to Denver involving Iguodala. What I’m getting out of what I’ve read is that the Nuggets would rather do the trade with the Sixers, but Anthony really doesn’t want to go to Philadelphia. So everyone is on a different page, including many within Denver management (some of which think the Nuggets should hold off, and try to get a better deal at mid-season). It looks like the New Jersey deal is ready to go, but Anthony and Denver need to willing to pull the trigger. Melo really want to go to the Knicks or the Bulls, so he’s not ecstatic about either trade. He’s kind of playing the role of the spoiled brat who isn’t happy because he isn’t getting everything he wants. I think whatever team ends up with Melo will eventually regret it.
Carrer what about last season? 29 to 39 ok he had ten more minutes to get one more assist this year so
Busted!!!
Colby sorry to dissapiont but, there is no way we are getting Favors if denver doesn’t get Favor this deal doesn’t go through period they what insant help tat’s where AK comes into the deal and, they also want potential allstar talent down the road that’s Favors and the first round picks.
it would be nice but, not going to happen we would have to put up a lot more to get that kind of potential like AL or even Dwill to get the nets to even think about giving us Favors
Nope Trevor last year the minute difference is 6 minutes..
29 to 35. But who’s counting.
I wish the Jazz could get Andre Iguodala, I know it wouldn’t happen but I can dream!
sorry six minutes not ten i miss read it i was looking at playoff time. but either way he got more minutes AK could have averaged 4 assist a game with 6 mmore minutes of playing time. Why Andre I would like to see the Jazz get gerald Wallace the guy is a beast every where on the court. Andre is good don’t get me wrong but Gerald seems like he just does it all offensively and deffensivley he is every where. that would be who i would want if i was the jazz
Just really want that tough SG that can finally be that 3rd consistent scorer we have never had.. Wallace is a stud i would take him in a heartbeat!
would it be crazy if the jazz went undeafted this season
it happen in one of my videos games
set him free; just get more than only Diaw.
(i think this trade is dead btw)
French Dude you are making irrelevant points. Diaw can play 5 positions? Really? Are you kidding me? Diaw can play point guard…wow. That is hilarious. He has never played the point guard, and never will. He couldnt even play a two. Never has, never will. (Not including French team cause they suck I could play for them) Your references are for him playin in euroleague? That is totally different. We are talking about the NBA, and he is not a 1-5 player in this league. We dont care about Euroleague or the french team. That is a different skill level. Especially junior. Come on man, i’m starting to wonder just how much YOU know about basketball….nba basketball.
Chad Fulton, Iguodala would NOT fit in as well as you think, however, Gerald Wallace would. No way Charlotte trades him though. You shouldn’t compare career averages either. Just last season, or the last few seasons at most. Career stats are very misleading when comparing two players. We are talking about right now, this season, not their careers.
ps-I dont’d know how they play in france..but in the NBA we play on a court..not a field.
Excuse me Sean, but can you make your comments without this agressive tone ? In this site, everybody can make comments, but within the limits of mutual respect. You think white because of this, I think black because of that … and that’s all.
And yes, we, French guys, are making english errors, no doubt … and what ? Do you think this is because of a lack of intellectual capacities ?? hmm …
Irrevelant points ???? like you playing for french team instead of TP, Batum or Pietrus….. *** NOTE FROM ADMIN: < personal attacks will get you banned, even if used in retaliation > ***
ha, ha, ha my buddy … we went there at the very same time !
French Flair my friend…
Ok, I havent said anything personal to either of you. French dude called me a moron, and a stupid redneck. Cool, I see how it is. Can’t talk a little basketball without making it personal? I disagree with what he said, and has said on other posts and we’re talking about that.
Your english errors don’t make me think anything about your itellectual capacities, i could care less, i was making a joke about his comment. However, your hypocritical statement, and lack of basketball knowledge makes me question your intellectual capacities…
Henri, where did you come from? i said nothing rude to your friend, and he says a few personal remarks to me, yet you back him up by asking me to no have an aggressive tone? did you read your “buddies” comments?
Unless you have something to say about the Jazz, or basketball, which is what this is about, keep your little comments to yourself.
I’d be afraid to ship AK away right now before we see how the team functions together. AK is one of the best game-changing players in the NBA and I would rather have him over Diaw any day if they were both to be paid the same salary. I say keep this trade in mind, but don’t move hastily and give up the best defensive presence the Jazz have had for a long time before we see what our current team can do.
“little comments”, “hypocritical statement”, …
Sean, don’t write blogs after midnight, it transforms you in gremlin. Go to bed, sleep …
what are you talking about? what does that have to do with anything?