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Game 1: Jazz 113, Mavericks 94
Posted by: TACOREV on November 1st, 2012
The author's views are entirely his or her own and may not reflect the views of the Utah Jazz.Hello out there? Anybody??
The season has begun! And we’re 1-0, thanks to 21-point efforts from Mo & Marvin. Six guys in double figures, including all five starters. Foye, Favors, and Kanter had solid games off the bench.
In the first half, the Jazz gave up wide-open 3-pointers left and right. But they shored up the defense in the second half, allowing only one from beyond the arc.
Mo brought the energy. Great to see him stepping up from day one.
Jazz player of the game: Mo Williams.
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What a difference from last year. I no longer find myself cringing every time a 3 is launched. All I can say is goodbye CJ, Howard, and Bell. Hello Marvin, Foye, and Mo!!!!!!!! Keep sleepin on the Jazz well wake you up in May.
which Jazz frontcourt looked better the starters or the second unit?
Just watched the game. i thought Jefferson was woeful, especially in the first half. The time that he got, Kanter was very good and as usual the Defense really picked up wih Kanter and Favors on the floor and in the 1st quarter Millsap bullied Wright and Haywood on the off boards.
I still dont like the untouchable way that Corbin, as well as the commentators, treat the experienced players. Not sure if it was the cut, but Kanter desrved more minutes and at one stage Harpring was talking about how due to pre-season form, Millsap deserved to start. By that rationale, kanter desrved to start as well.
Cant argue with Taco’s player of the game and hopefully Marvin can show why he was a number 2 pick
Like I said Marvin played with 5 ball hogs, I knew Jazz nation would love him.
Perfectly said @disco!! I hate the vet untouchable nonsense. Al and Tinsley looked like the weakest players in the rotation. Teams do not honor his shot and attack him on D (Tinsley), Al played really bad 1st: again with the bad defensive starts, good thing Jazz have more talent and Mavs looked burnt after half time break. We spot 63 1st half points aganist Spurs, they wont spot us 40, let alone 55. Just like last, it will come back to bite us against quality playoff teams.
Foyes points came off set plays. Late in the shot clock he, and Tinsley, had a lot of trouble trying to create. In a half court set Kanter and Favors had trouble cuz the Mavs just collapsed on them: Mavs have no respect for Tinsley’s shot, and no fear of Foye with the ball in his had trying to create. SOLUTION: …..PLAY ALEC BURKS!!!! WTF!!! Are you kidding me?! You want someone that can creat with the ball and penetrate zone Ds, and can hit 3s….how bout Burks, hes only like the 5-6th best player on the team.
P.s. love seeing Sloan!
I absolutely am on a high right now. I couldn’t sleep last night I was so excited with this new team. I know it’s only one game and there’s sure to be some tough times ahead. But I can see the direction that KOC, Lindsey, and Corbin are wanting to head and I LOVE it. If I had to pick 1 pro and 1 con from the game, it would be:
Con-
PERIMETER DEFENSE! I am SO tired of the Jazz giving shooters 6 feet of space when they are on fire. The Mavs were dropping 3’s left and right in the first half, and no one was adjusting. They did awesome with their halftime adjustments, but what happens if the defense collapses in the 3rd quarter, and there’s no halftime lecture to get them back on track? They didn’t seem to adjust themselves just based on what they were seeing. 10/16 from 3 in the first half is unacceptable.
Pro-
FAST PACE! I am in love with the way our players run up court. I love how they were swarming like flies whenever someone slightly bobbled the ball. And I loved how the second Gordon Hayward or Marvin Williams got the ball, they instantly shoot up court to start the break without having to look for the point guard. I know with this fast pace, there’s bound to be some bad shots and dumb turnovers, but overall I think it’s completely worth it.
I loved how Kanter was taking it to Eddy Curry. Curry is a tool and he needs a hot headed sophomore player to give him the what for. I don’t know if you caught it, but at the very very end of the game, Kanter literally was hunched over with his head in Curry’s gut to keep him out of the paint. I love the new fight and attitude of Kanter and the rest of our guys. Last year we could have been kicked in the nuts and no one would have defended themselves. This year, things seem different.
I was sad Burks only got 2 minutes in Garbage time. There was a huge lull in our scoring in the fourth after we got our big lead. I told my brother as I watched the game ‘Now that we’re up 15, they just need to put Burks in.’ We didn’t, though, and the 2nd unit had trouble scoring. They did do well on defense, though, so the Mavs didn’t come back, but still. Would’ve liked to see Burks. He’s points when you need them, especially on a 2nd unit where there’s not a huge amount of offensive production yet.
That said, it was an awesome game. Mo > Devin for sure in defense, toughness and 3-point shooting, not to mention Foye > CJ, Marvin Williams > Josh Howard. Nice to see a balanced attack rather than Post ISO every time.
Oh and one more thing. I go to ESPN and there’s articles on the Lakers Portland loss, Harden’s huge 1st Rockets debut, Anthony Davis, followed by an article about the Knicks-Nets game getting postponed, the clippers winning, whatever Doc Rivers said about the Rondo-Wade foul, Steph Curry getting an extension, Gibson on the Bulls getting an extension, Holiday getting an extension, DeRozan getting an extension…AND….no Jazz mention whatsoever.
Seriously? A bunch of players getting extensions, some comments about a foul two days ago is MORE deserving of mention than what the Jazz did last night? The sports media is so pathetic.
Come on, you guys. I was actually impressed with Big Al. Did any of you guys see him run that fast break? Yeah, he missed the shot, but he (if only for a second) showed some heart with his terrible dribbling skills, and got the Jazz another 2 points. Also 14 (5 offensive/9 defensive) rebounds in 28 minutes? Also I thought his overall defense was better. Don’t hate.
Did the young guys outplay the vets? Yes, but that’s their goal, and I am very glad that they did.
I do think you need to give player of the game to the other Williams as well. I effing love those 2.
How about Kanter getting bloodied up on Halloween and coming back to pick up 6 points and 7 rebounds? The kid is going to be Big (Turkey).
Also I got emotional watching the pregame. I know Mr. Malone is somewhat of a turd, but he’s honest and sincere, and his tears made me shead a tear. Dear TNT, put Karl Malone on the panel with Chuck and Shaq, and play Jazz games on TNT.
Love, Colten
Awesome win! …I love to see the Jazz out and running, the 3rd quarter especially was great. The defense in the second quarter specifically was lazy, maybe Corbin should have switched it up.
I would like to see Burks play more … especially once we were up by 16 halfway through the 4th quarter. I felt the same about the starters coming back in with 5 minutes left, up by 12.
…It makes me smile to see the Lakers lose their first two, and not just lose but get blown out in both games by borderline playoff teams … Put me down for a prediction: Mike Brown will lose his job this season, why pick up steve nash if you don’t know how to use him
Fun game last night. I would say that Al didn’t play that bad. He did shoot poorly, BUT I thought he passed well out of the post to the perimeter players, and he attempted 4 free throws. Both of those were improvements from last year. If 2 or 3 more of his shots fell last night he would of looked great. He obviously rebounded well and I didn’t notice any huge lapses on defense due to him.
Honestly the only complaint I have as a fan, is I would like to see the Foye/Burks backcourt on the 2nd unit like others have mentioned. I love Tinsley but the 2nd unit seemed slightly stagnant at times and like others have mentioned, we ended up forcing shots at the end of the shot clock. Luckily, we made a few. I do see that Foye probably plays better off the ball. He looked good coming off screens and shooting from the corner. So I can see the problem Corbin faces, hopefully it will play out so Burks can see more minutes.
Very exciting first game, we saw just about everything last night. The 3 new guys are gonna be HUGE this year. They all are threats outside and when teams double down low they will make teams pay, unlike years past with cj.
Thats a key phrase you hear with teams like San Antonio and Boston… They make you pay… how frustrating was it when we played great D, but double teamed duncan or collapsed the paint when parker drove and he kicked it out for an open 3 or swung it back around for an open 3 in the corner?
So hopefully we see more of that this year for us. You double team down low and your gonna pay.
It was so nice to see Coach Sloan in the stands – it made me miss the old days. But it also made me hopeful that Coach Corbin is continually improving.
One of the players (I think it was Mo Williams) that said during the post-game interview that we were “undefeated.” Love the enthusiasm. Heck yeah!
@Colten Al man who sucks went 7-8 that is not very good defense just saying.
@Kevin I have said this before and Lindsey said it as well in his podcast with Locke. Weak interior defense cause wide open shooters. They have to give space to try to help the interior and then wide open shooters. There is a reason they started hitting the threes as soon as Al entered the game.
The game was good. We should have destroyed them before we were down by 8. Like Omar said if this was against a good team or even the Mavs with Dirk and Kaman that 25-11 run would have been bad news. It should not take that kind of run for the defense to kick in. Overall decent performance against a team we should have beat like that.
Burks is our 3rd best wing and does not get on the floor. That is a problem. Whether some people think Burks is not better then Foye is a different story. In no way can you say he is better especially since the coach himself said that a more talented player might sit because of chemistry. Chemistry is important do not get me wrong but Kobe has never had good chemistry and he continues to win.
@Dallan
I don’t think Dirk and Chris missing is a good excuse though for the Mavs. They beat the Lakers the night before, and I know the Lakers aren’t gelling right now, but that’s still an accomplishment.
I do agree it would have been tougher to come back cause with Dirk I am sure we would have been down by double digits at least once. But they still beat LA, and our guys still deserve all the credit in the world. Don’t get me wrong, I am okay with giving up open three’s as long as we win and outscore the opponent. But I don’t believe that will happen often enough for us to be too lax.
I understand the point of giving shooters more space to help down low, but against a team like Dallas, i’d rather be a few steps closer on Mayo, Collison, Marion, and Carter and give Curry a bit more space. You can still react in time most of the time, and when they are shooting 10-16 from deep it’s almost the same percentage as a 4 footer anyway. Those are the adjustments I was talking about.
this is a good team guys, great deals was making!!!
GO JAZZ GO
“Foye is a different story. In no way can you say he is better…”
Yes I can. He’s better than burks right now. There’s no argument to be made. In fact he had the highest +/- out of any jazz player on the floor last night. Does he have the highest ceiling over burks? That I would say is completely unknown, but to say he isnt’ better than burks right now? Absolute crazy talk. I like Burks, but his is not the 3rd best wing on the team. Period. I don’t care how his summer league went. Summer league means nothing. It never has. And to indirectly compare Burks to Kobe is also crazy talk. Because to make that silly analogy requires you to compare Kobe with Burks. Can’t be done.
I want the jazz to win now. I want the jazz to kill every team they go against from beginning to end. Read David Locke’s older posting on how much a player actually gains when he’s not getting meaninful minutes. You want burk to be on the floor during garbage time when we’re up by 15, but that won’t help him.
It’s the age old argument do you want to win or give younger guys who you like a chance to play and show what they have? I choose the former in ever case. Because if you play to win that requires players like Burks to play the best ball of their lives everytime they’re on the floor, or they won’t be. No, they may not get significant minutes, but that’s irrelevant. You play to win, not to give younger guys minutes. The reason favors gets the minutes he does is because of the effect he has defensivley on the floor. Not because we traded Dwill for him or because he was the 3rd pick in the draft, or because fans like him, but because of what he does when he’s on the floor.
Last night, Foye killed it. And you can use your same logic with Foye as well. He needs time on the floor too to get used to playing on the jazz, even during garbage time.
My logic? I want to win. Foye did that last night and I bet he’ll continue to do it. Can Burks do that as well? Yes, but not as well as foye can, right now. David mentioned and I think it’s a good point, there is a chance Burks may never be as good as foye. Just like Favors may never be as good offensively as Millsap, so why would you put players on the court that MAY be better than their counterpart someday, but aren’t right now? That makes no sense and it’s a bad message to send to those players who are better right now.
The bigger problem is that Corbin currently has an 11 man rotation. That is impossible to maintain. Either someone better get injured or traded because that is too difficult to manage.
Again, I like Burks, but I like winning more. If we keep winning, I coulndn’t care less whether Burks never sees the court again. If you love burks and want to see him play, let’s trade him to a team that can play him. We’ll just stick to winning. If we don’t keep winning, give burks a change and let him earn what he gets.
@Ben
Agreed. A lot of people are just carrying over the #FreeAlecBurks idea from last season, and I LOVE Alec Burks. I want to see him play. BUT, I too prefer winning. The reason I personally was so mad last year about him not playing, was because Josh Howard, CJ and Bell were messing up his shot at minutes and they all were sucking. This year is different I hope. If we keep playing like we did last night, how can we be mad at someone not getting minutes? We obviously didn’t NEED them. No player is bigger than the team, and Burks is a great player but we won without him on the floor. Sure, if Foye starts to play like CJ, then I will want Burks in the game as often as possible.
@Dallan I appreciate numbers as well. Al Jeffersons man went 7-8 that’s 87.5% I believe.
The Mavericks back up center shot 1-1. I’ve checked and re checked those percentages, and I keep coming up with 100%.
Yep
Hahaha! Wow!! That Burks haterade must be in a new flavor?! Of course Foye out played Burks…….HE PLAYED!! Burks numbers are skewed, uh cuz he had no numbers. Burks defiantly out played Foye through preseaon. Thats our point: if you earn the minutes you would assume that you play. Burks earned it in preseason, yet didnt play. How can we even measure Burks vs. Foye, when Burks didnt play. N/A.
You thought trading Mo was the worst decision ever according to KOC, just wait til we trade Burks or when he leaves….that is what will be wdever. Every one mocked us about Kanter, and all the Kanter haters had to eat it, well, Im telling Burks is that damn good. Just wait, whether with Jazz (i hope) or elsewhere, you guys are gonna eat.
Ferrari in the garage….but we want to drive our moms mini-van?! Hahaha. Geez.
And the Jazz gave up 63…..yes 63!!! Points in a half. That is not good defense. Thats like pulling a whole slice of pizza from the trash and saying its not trash. Al allowed a ton of lay ups and penetration in the first half. Check the tape. He played better in 3rdthe but, against high quality you are asking for trouble and on the road, those are losses.
@Colten 2 points compared to 15 GREAT comparison!
@Ben The pre season is e time you win minutes in the reg season right? You can not say that is wrong cause that is what we heard from Locke, KOC,DL,Corbin so do not try to dispute that. The fact of the matter is Burks out performed Foye in EVERY statistical category except assists. And it was only by 1 assist a game. Guess what that is with Foye playing PG so he should have had more assists. The numbers were not even close either. Burks was over 50% from the floor Foye was 29% Burks was 67% from three and Foye was 34% So the one thing that Foye gives us is his shooting correct? He does not get to the line, He does not shoot mid range shots well so using that to say he is better is so false.
So what exactly is he better at Burks then? I will give you shooting but he is inconsistent at that. To ask any Clipper fan they will tell you how hot and cold he is and they have watched him for two whole seasons you have watched him for a below mediocre pre season and one good game which by the way happened after we were up by 15 he was not good in the first half. You are all excited about Foye but his numbers overall are very similar to the above mentioned CJ Miles…
Dallan and Omar, you guys are smart and you know your stuff. We’ve gone the rounds countless times. But come on. We all see your point, but it’s not like Foye didn’t play well last night, and the Jazz won. If I remember right, Burks missed his two free throws when they were given to him. I really like Burks and I want to see him play. But stop complaining when we win the game and the other guy played fine. When Foye struggles and the Jazz are losing, that is when you step in and demand PT for Burks. To do it now just makes you appear like you are a bigger fan of Alec Burks than you are of the Jazz as a team.
@Kevin thank you. If this was not a recurring problem it would not be as such as bid a deal. We can say that Corbin will do something when Foye sucks but is that true? He did not show that last year he would do that. He showed he would play the vet no matter what. That is my problem that the coach and FO say the players can earn minutes,will get there time but is it true? From what we have seen no
@Kevin. I have two problems:
one: exactly what Dallan said. Imagine in your workplace, you do everything they ask you do and you do it well, and then they give the promotion to the guy has not done as good a job, but hes been there longer so he gets the promotion. And then they tell you, next time you will have an opportunity to earn your promotion next time…..AND then they give the promotion to another person who did not do as go a job, but has been around longer. Can someone answer the question, “how can you earn minutes on a Corbin team?”
two: the Lakers are pretty sorry, so I don’t think the Mavs are that great. I am thinking long term, I am already thinking playoff. We need to play the best players and play at the highest level in order to advance in the playoffs. I am putting high standards, I have high expectations. This might be the best Jazz team top-to-bottom that I have ever seen…BUT there is a hierarchy: Favors>Millsap>Kanter>Al.
Bursk>Foye>Tinsley
In Corbin’s mind and bias minds:
Al>Millsap>Favors>Kanter?!
Foye>Tinsley>Burks?!
When the Jazz beat Lakers in LA, it was Burks and Kanter and Millsap that won that game. Kanter showed he belong there and so did Burks, but Corbin and FO, and other haters just do not respect Burks?!
Spurs: Ginobili and Neal (maybe N. De Calo)
OKC: Kevin Martin, Maynor, (maybe Lamb)
Clippers: Bledsoe and J Crawford
Lakers:…..oh ya their bench is trash!
Heat: Ray Allen; Cole (he is very very fast)
Jazz: Foye and TInsley
I think Corbin learned a lesson last year by playing Bell no matter what. Almost everyone complained about his playing time but with no results. Then Bell burned him to the ground in the end. Foye made some timely baskets last night and for that it was hard to take him out.
And Kevin is right Burks missed his two free throws and Evans missed one. As much as I like Burks he needs to learn some defense as well. If he can shoot free throws in the ninety percent range then the minutes will come.
Favors and Kanter also made some rookie mistakes last night. But they will learn and they will come along.
But I would agree with the lead they had and had mantained for several minutes there was no need to put the starters back in the game. Burks and Evans still should have got more minutes with a lead like that.
@L.K I would have to slightly disagree on defense for Burks. Kobe went nuts on us in that pre season game and Burks came in and guarded him for like three plays and Kobe did not score. Then Kobe came out of the game. He actually was our best defender on Kobe that night. Does he need to improve of course but I think he has improved since last year.
I rank it Burks>Foye>Tinsley. So my problem isnt so much Foye playing its Foye and Tinsley playing and not Burks. I really love the Foye and Burks backcourt. I just think Corbin is thinking, “well we need a true point guard in the game.” I don’t agree, but okay, but then Burks should be the SG first in then over Foye. Is Mo Williams a traditional PG…no, yet he is playing great, because he pushes the ball, grab and go……which is the perfect venue for Burks. You want someone to push the ball, that your guy.
I really think Foye is gonna have trouble with the J Crawfords, Ginobili, Ray Allen, and even Kevin Martin. I want Foye as the SG on offensive and Burks the PG on offense and then Foye guard the PG and Burks guard the SG. Having Tinsley in there makes it very hard for Kanter and Favors cuz defenders sag off Tinsley, and everyone goes under the screen with Tins. And Foye with the ball is not good, hes better running around screens, but if there is no movement cuz teams are clogging the painting and playing off Tinsley, Foye is gonna struggle. Bledsoe’s great D on Tinsley is really gonna expose the second unit offense. Burks can cause a ton of chaos, and Foye can run around without the ball which will help him. Burks penetration, or P&P with Kanter, or dump to Favors, pen and kick to Foye.
Burks is a really underrated on-the-ball defender like Dallan said. He struggles running through screens and chasing guys, some. But that looks like inexperience than it does bad defense. Foye and Burks can even switch most nights on D, and with Favors, Kanter, Carroll, that might be the greatest second unit in NBA. Great Defense and Burks creating chaos, and Foye hitting threes. But with Tinsely and Foye thats not a great backcourt, and a bad one against high quality playoff teams.
Another problem is what are the Jazz going to do when Watson is activated?? Looks like they are staying to the thirteen players dressing rule which is good..There are a couple of teams in need of a point. I would let both Tinsley and Watson go for as little as a second rounder.If Mo gets thirty plus minutes it should not be hare to divie out the last Eighteen..As much as I like Carroll I think he got too many minutes last night also..
Also Jazz need to concentrate on solving the Bell issue instead of saying “No Comment.”
People need to remember, it was just game one out of 82 (weird to have to say that about a 19-point victory). I too was disappointed that Burks didn’t play more. I was at the game, and kept nudging my friend saying, “where the hell is Burks??”
But again, it’s just one game. Let’s see how things go for at least game two through 12 or so before we start getting overly frustrated about who’s playing when and where and why and how.
I love all of you because you mean well, but you kids and your preseason. I wish you well, and I hope you’ll join us adults some day in the real world I.e. the actual season. Its laughable that anyone would actually quote PRE SEASON stats. just laughable.
The fact is I love burks too, but Corbin has 11-12 rotation players. That’s tough and some guys just aren’t going to get consistent minutes. You could be right about foye not being consistent, but frankly I take every players stats with a grain of salt who plays for del freaking negro. I don’t care who ty plays as long as we win. I know that doesn’t appease your burks man crushes, but no one who matters that’s running the jazz care. Stop whining. Join myself along with the rest of the adults and enjoy the win. If we start to lose and foye is a cause, I’m with you, let’s try burks out, but give Ty a chance AND A REASON to do that first.
Sorry dudes. The preseason is great to warm the players legs, find out who’s filling the final roster spots, and get kids excited about seeing their favorite player do well against scrubs. But in reality, it’s just for the coach to try different things. Nothing is final, and scoring 30 freaking points IN THE PRE SEASON means nothing.
May the force be with you.
It’s also wise to consider foye was the 7th pick in a stronger draft compared to burks being 12th in a weak one. Since we’re comparing preseason stats I thought inserting a stat that may matter, relevant. I know, foye hasn’t been consistent at times and you can’t cuddle up to him and call him yours like you can burks because we didn’t draft him, but foye can still ball, and he’s still pretty young.
Btw- jimmer sucks. I read a tweet that Lillard has done more in one game than jimmer has done in his entire nba career. If you think burks got hosed last night. It could have been worse. Jimmer got like 7 seconds total. Hahahaha
About burks(and all of our young guys) and playing time, the question do you go for the win or give young guys playing time to develop doesn’t really apply anymore… what have you seen from them that has shown they won’t contribute to a win!? Are you really taking a step back by playing burks over tinsley or carroll? Are you really taking a step back by starting favors over millsap?? NOOOOO!!!!
Burks is not a ball n chain 2nd year player, when he is on the floor good things happen. Thats the most frustrating thing about it. He absolutely is our 3rd best wing player and is very close to being the 2nd best. I thought he definitely should have played last night, at the very least just to play defense against Dallas quicker guards.
THANK YOU, STEVE!!!!!
@Ben – Is Marvin Williams a better player than Deron or Chris Paul.? I also need to question you on your pre season claims. The stats may not matter but how a player plays does matter. Kanter is a case in point with how he played in his limited minutes
I also agree with Steve about young players being able to contribute and win.
I’m not going to sit here and argue about minutes when we won the game. If you love Burks more than you love the Jazz, then that is totally fine.
I personally would rather win. I agree that Burks should get Tinsley’s minutes. Tinsley should ONLY see the court ahead of Earl Watson. Everyone else should get their PT before Tinsley takes off his warmup shirt. But in the end, we won the game.
And Steve,
As much as I absolutely love Burks (probably my 4th favorite Jazz player) to answer your question, I would say his missed free throws is something I saw from the first game that wouldn’t contribute to a win. Again, he’s awesome and I know he usually makes his FT’s, but you asked and that’s what I saw.
Here’s my Argument on the Burks thing.
Burks is going to be here next year, and the next year, and probably years after that. Foye might not be here next year. Tinsley might not be here next year.
You don’t lose anything with Burks IMO playing him instead of Foye or Tinsley, especially in the fourth quarter when we start the quarter up by 16 points.
Burks is young and could use the development. 2 minutes is not enough for good development.
My point is we’ll STILL win the game (and IMO, we would have had better offensive production with Burks in and his attacking – our offense got really stagnant and we stayed at 92 for a long time with the Tinsley/Foye backcourt), Burks gets development, feels like he fits in and is part of the win, and the veterans get rest, because its veterans who win games on the road.
@Disco:
I agree with you. Obviously, I wasn’t laying the sarcasm on thick enough, so I’ll be clear and spell it out. Stats like that- pre season stats, at what exact number a players was drafted, etc., are all irrelevant numbers that boys with man crushes use to love a player they love. It all means nothing. What matters? Winning. What did the jazz do Wednesday night? They won. If Burks gets jimmer time every game and the jazz keep winning and get better, people who matter won’t care and they shouldn’t.
Of course Burks could contribute. He’s a good player, but I guess I’m in the minority of not caring about boy’s hurt feelings and how many minutes certain players get over winning. Becuase if you look at history, teams that win generally have the best players playing the minutes. You guys obviouly have a different take on who’s better than who, but in the end (and I’m thankful for it) people in the jazz organization who matter don’t agree with you. They agree with winning. Every palyer will have his chance, even though it might not be as big of a chance as you guys would like it to be. But if the jazz are winning, that’s all the matters because that’s the sole reason organizations like the NBA exist: So teams can win. The jazz situation is uniquie though in having such a large rotation, which needs to be considered.
@KCJones:
That’s a great point and I agree with you. I’m not saying that the jazz couldn’t win with Burks playing. Not at all, however, I still think Foye is the better play between the two right now, but that may not be the case every night.
However, although like most guys here I’m sure your knowledge about basketball is great, I trust Corbin to put in the best players to win the game. It’s only one game, but the jazz sure looked good with Foye out there.
I don’t get it. You make it sound as if Burks had played it would’ve changed the outcome of the game to a loss instead of a win?
My point is that we’re winning by 16 points in the fourth at home against a tired team coming off a back-to-back, missing Dirk and Kaman. Isn’t that the time you’re SUPPOSED to put in your young guys and help them develop? If he doesn’t get time in that situation, when is he going to get time? Anyway, just one game, I’m sure Burks will get plenty of chances this year and none of this conversation will matter.
But its more the seeming preference for veterans that Corbin has, even when the circumstances would seem to dictate going with a young guy, that baffle me at times.
@ Ben
Wow, calling everyone childish with posts like that. Contradict yourself much? Oh, and stop with the condescending tone. Other people are entitled to a different opinion than yours.
@KCJones:
Honestly, this is more of a nonissue than it was when it began. But I’ll give it one last shot.
If Burks had played I have no idea whether it would have changed the outcome. If the impression I left was that the jazz would have lost, I didn’t mean that and I never said that. I do like Foye over burks right now as a player. He’s a vet who has a lot less bad tendancies than Burks does, IMO.
What the point of all my posts is this: I simply don’t care that burks didn’t play more than a few mintues because the jazz won. Although I like burks, I guess I have a different attitude in not seeing a guy like Burks get 20 min every night when the jazz are winning. I think Burks needs his time and he’ll have his opportunity, maybe with another team, hopefully not. But his time will come, it just wasn’t there Wendesday night.
You can carry my logic onto any player. I also think Melo shouldn’t play half the games he does because I don’t think melo helps a team. He helps himself and his stat line. I’m in no way comparing Burks with Melo, but the logic is the same. If a team is winning and a player isn’t playing (whether that be because he doesn’t help his team i.e. melo, or because the team has 11+ rotationtal players i.e. the jazz), I don’t think it’s necessarily the end of the world. That’s all.
I’m sure there are strong arguments against mine, but I don’t care. Onto the next.
@A.G.
Take it easy. This forum doesn’t need a Captain America-type enforcer, lol. I apologize my sarcasm doesn’t carry through digitally very well, but my posts are supposed to be sarcastic, and I do think it’s funny how much of a problem people have with not seeing a certain player play even though their team won. That’s all. And yes I know, it’s just my opinion and we obviously disagree. Oh well, onto the next, por favor.
More condescension, classy.
A.G.
Apologizing to you is like apologizing to some of my ex-girlfriends. Like them, you never will forgive me, will you?
I’M SORRYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY! Please, A.G., accept my apologie.
Come on dude, it’s all fun. You watching the game tonight? I hope the jazz pull off another good one tonight….with or without Burks..Oh! Sorry, I coudn’t help that one.
Love your avatar, btw.
“Today, in my diary I wrote about” …..who gives a damn. Are we here to debate basketball or talk about man and boy crushes and ex girlfriend. Hahahaha. Wtf is going on.
I think manu won’t play Sat and Lakers are packing it in so Brown gets fired and Shaw gets the coaching spot. Jazz can be 5-0 to start.
@ ben are you stating that winning is more important than burks playing time? Or is it sarcasm and you believe burks should have had more time on the floor and foye less time to accomodate minutes for burks?…. because whether you mean to lay it on thick or thin, it looks like you actually believe in your statement and thats not sarcasm.
I was really liking everything ben was saying, but now i’m wondering if he’s getting a little too much of the sauce while he types. Dude is unpredictable.
@Ben Can you give me any statistical evidence that Foye is better then Burks right now? Besides spot up shooting which I all ready stated he was better at. Not even in College was Foye better then Burks. And guess what since you like quoting all of Locke quotes here is a Locke quote that he seems to have forgotten. He does not like 4 year wing players. Because more often then not they are just average. Guess what Foye was?? A 4 year wing player!! Guess what he is?? AVERAGE!! Burks in his Sophmore year out of College put up better numbers then Foye his Senior Year. Burks as a Rookie put up better numbers then Foye as a Rookie and Foye had TWICE as many minutes. He is not better at defense,rebounding,getting to the line. The only thing he is better at is spot up shooting. If someone can give me any evidence other wise I will accept that. Even PER has Burks better then Foye and that was in Burks Rookie year. Foye 7th..
@ Ben
No hard feelings man. We’re all just Jazz fans here. I wasn’t asking for an apology. I just hate it when people talk down to others for having a different opinion, that’s how I saw it anyway. Maybe I was wrong. It seems like every post on this sight turns into a bicker fest. I might have fallen into the trap a little bit. We’ll just have to agree to disagree on this one.