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Game 2: Hornets 88, Jazz 86
Posted by: TACOREV on November 2nd, 2012
The author's views are entirely his or her own and may not reflect the views of the Utah Jazz.So I unfortunately was unable to watch this game, as I had something that had been scheduled a while back… but I did follow the whole thing online. So you folks can help me fill in how everything went down.
It seems as though it came down to a Greivis Vasquez buzzer beater to break an 86-86 tie, leaving one second on the clock. Mo’s desperation 3-ball came up empty, leading to the first Jazz loss of the season.
Five Jazzmen scored double figures, led by Randy Foye off the bench with 20, including 4-of-7 from downtown.
The glaring problem, looking at the box score, had to be allowing a below-average big man like Robin Lopez to go off for 19 points and seven boards. My gut feeling assumes a certain “Big” player with a two-letter first name had something to do with it. Al had played some of the best defense I’ve ever seen him play against Dallas— and I could be wrong about this— but giving up that much production to a guy like R. Lopez would be bad even for Jefferson.
Another note that stands out is Ryan Anderson’s 19-point outing, especially his 5-of-9 from 3-range. Please, people, tell me that all of those 3-pointers weren’t wide open. The first half against Dallas aggravated me to no end seeing them give up so many wide-open 3’s. If there’s one thing I can’t stand to see, it’s giving up ridiculous amounts of wide-open shots. And it seems we may still have a problem with that.
Rookie sensation Anthony Davis only plays 14 minutes for New Orleans, scoring eight points with six rebounds. Did he get hurt?
And of course, a DNPCD for Burks. That’s not going to sit well with many around here.
Jazz are now 1-1, with a trip to San Antonio tomorrow night.
Jazz player of the game: Randy Foye.
Fill in the blanks, fellas. Go!
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Burks’ DNPCD shouldn’t be that bad knowing Foye had 20 points.
What really hurt us was our interior defense. Watching highlights they showed Al Jefferson getting man handled inside by Robin Lopez. I mean, Al Davis went out with an injury early so we should have owned the paint.
Al Jefferson had a terrible defensive game. He was bad on rotating to the weak side tonight and the opposing team got many easy layups because he wasn’t playing help side. The game winner for NOLA was another example of him not rotating and playing weak side… Is he just not paying attention or what? seriously…
Not to beat the dead Burks horse, but I dont get how Burks played PG in summer league, we ran the Foye-Burks backcourt combo all preseason, and it did well, and then Burks gets benched while Tinsley gets 20 min a night…
A Burks/Foye PG duo would be awesome, and really sounds like what should happen. I’m not among those that sees Burks as a PG and especially not as the “PG of the future”, but he is capable of filling in if needed or as part of a “PG by committee” combo.
I think everyone is realizing at this point that this argument shouldn’t be between playing Foye and Burks. It should be between Burks and Tinsley. And Tinsley is old, bad at defense, and turns the ball over a lot more than a PG should. Burks have many or all of those same problems, except for the key detail that he’s not old. He’s actually very young and has an exceedingly high ceiling. Free Burks!
@KC exactly. No one is saying Foye should get DNPs, we are saying Burks should not get DNPs. Solution:take DNP Tinsley. It should not be so complicated.
Did anyone else catch that: where Big Al was at the free throw line doing the “ITS GOOD” FG STANCE during Millsap’s shot and the rebounds bounce on the court right in front of Al, then Hornets pick it up?!
Hornets ran about 90% P&R, so you can imagine what the game looked like. Kanter and Favors are going to have low scoring games and turnovers so long as half court Ds are not guarding Tinsley. In the half court its 4 on 5. Carroll and Foye cant penetrate, so teams just play like a sagging zone, clogging the paint. Favors and Kanter could do very little. In the half court Jazz 2nd unit looked very bad offense.
Jazz couldnt run cuz Lopez was either scoring, rebounding, or at least fighting for rebound. I think after this road trip Jazz are going to have to make some decisions.
Worst play of the night:
Hornets run a P&R against Al and Tinsley–in the fourth quarter under 2 minutes mind you–it looked like practice drills when coaches stand in on D while the players practice a play…that easy.
At least the Lakers still have more losses so…
Burks *may* have (oops)
Meanwhile the Lakers are 0-3. That takes a little sting out of tonight. I LOVE watching the Lakers lose. Their bench is TERRIBLE! Injuries are going to kill them this year. No way they stay completely healthy. So I’m calling it: no way they make it to the finals.
@Taco:
I know you didn’t watch the game, so I need to tell you that it didn’t come down to a tie in the final minute.
We got our asses kicked. The final score doesn’t show it, but we we were completely destroyed. If Randy Foye weren’t in the game, we would have lost by 25-30 points.
To be fair, Ryan Anderson is a matchup nightmare. That’s how they beat us. Having to keep a man on Anderson whenever he was on the floor left Al Jefferson as the primary point protector.
Mo Williams’ play has been really up and down. In this season’s 2 games, Corbin has benched him halfway through the first quarter. Williams needs to be more of a passer and less of a shooter, if we want to get anyone else involved in the offense.
Unless Williams starts getting the rest of his team involved, Jamaal Tinsley will get significant time on the floor.
Don’t forget that Jamaal leads the team in assists right now, and did during the preseason as well.
Inserting Alec Burks into the rotation won’t solve anything. The problem is our defense. Burks isn’t a good defender.
So you people are seriouslly proposing that when Mo Williams gets benched, we bring both Alec Burks and Randy Foye off the bench? Then you’d have to bench Hayward too.
Your line up would be:
Foye
Burks
Carrol
Favors
Kanter
Sounds like a freaking disaster to me.
Neither Randy Foye or Alec Burks is a point guard. So you would have to insert them both simultaneously. Having to remove two players from the floor just to put Burks in is
Now don’t get me wrong. I do believe that Alec Burks needs time on the floor. All I’m saying is we are still going to have problems even if Burks gets minutes.
Our 1st unit SUCKS at defense. This is why Millsap needs to come off the bench, even though he’s the best all-around player on our team.
The thing with Foye is sometimes he is awesome, and sometimes he disappears completely. When both Demarre Carroll and and Randy Foye are sucking (the entire second quarter), there is no excuse NOT to put Burks in.
But, don’t dellude yourself into thinking we’re going to magically be a contender if we do that.
The biggest problem with Tinsley is the other team know he wont shoot, and the rare times he does shoot he will miss. It was crazy how only Hayward was going to the paint, Al/Millsap would take the first jump shot they were given.
I don’t think anyone believes we’ll magically become a contender if Burks plays. I think a lot of us know a lot of talent is being wasted on the bench every night he doesn’t play. I also think he is under rated, even by a lot of Jazz fans. He’s not an elite defender but he’s solid. People keep saying he can’t shoot, but everything I’ve seen says otherwise. He also gets to the line and rebounds well for a SG. I also think you’re selling Foye short on his defense. He has seemed pretty solid to me so far. He even had a block or 2 last night. He’s not elite by any means but he gets up into people. Tinsley, on the other hand, may get assists but he’s usually way too slow to keep up with the younger PGs in the league. The Foye/Burks lineup was effective in preseason. Granted preseason doesn’t mean a whole lot. But how are you going to know if it’s truly effective in the regular season if you never use it? Bottom line is Burks makes things happen when he’s on the floor. No one can argue that.
@Nick
I think we all can agree that we missed Burks at some point in the game, someone that can penetrate and get the other team to deal with another kind of threat. Now Burks+Foye+Carroll I don’t know, but it did it work well in the preseason.
It just doesn’t make much sense to me that he’s only played 2 mins in 2 games.
@Omar you saw that P&R to huh? It was SO SO SO bad I was just laughing my head off
As for the game it was a butt kicking through and through! The biggest thing that could have been changed and was not was game time management by the coach. If a lineup is not working then something has to change. There was no energy. There was no foul shooting.
The three point shots that a lot of people were worried about did happen. But the players he shot them against? Not Favors or Kanter which Locke was worried about. Favors contested every one he took and he missed them all. The people me made his shots on we’re Al,Millsap,Carrol, and Tinsley.
As some talked about the 2nd unit has problems. There is no floor spacing I watched a bunch of times where DF or EK would get the ball but there was no one on their side of the court to pass it to. It is not there fault if there is no one to pass it to. As for Carrol I love the guy but no one respects his shot. No one respects Tinsley shot. So how are we going to clear any space for the Bigs?
Hayward minutes should not be taken away by anyone. He needs to be getting his minutes! I agree with Locke the rotation needs to shrink. But I do not think with the people he has in the rotation now. @Nick you said if Burks played we would have to pull Gordon and we do that for Foye all ready. That is why Gordon minutes are getting cut down.
Mo,Gordy,Marvin,Paul,Al,Favs,Kanter,Foye,Burks. Those are the 9 that should be playing then if there is a problem with injuries or what not you solve it with the bench we have. You can mix and match the wings well enough that you can have two or three playmakers on the floor at once. So even if they pressure you then you have people to pass to.
Corbin over values offense and under values defense. You can say all you want that we need to score but when Robjn Lopez is dropping in easy layups we are not winning. He played with Steve Nash last year and did not even do that to us! Hopefully it does not take 20 games to get a change made. Cause it is Spurs,Memphis,Lakers coming up and if we do not change something we are in trouble. It would be pretty pathetic if Lakers first win was the Jazz
@Dallan, hahaha!! Hornets took the “high P&R” to another level: they were practically running it at the half court line!!! Even though the court dimensions never change, it felt like the Jazz and Hornets were playing on different courts. Hornets ran the highHIGH P&R and the used every inch of court; and on D the Hornets did not guard the perimeter and just sagged into the paint (pretty much a zone). The Hornets dared the Jazz to shoot and Foye answered, but Hayward was the only player that didn’t settle for the jump shot and drove and got fouled. When the wings are Foye, Tinsley, and Carroll, teams are gonna take away Kanter and Burks, and force the Jazz to hit threes. We cannot depend on 3s dropping every night.
I watch the game on league pass, so I have to watch and hear the road games announce team. Pregame, they talked about Monty Williams telling his team, when know about the Jazz bigs and we are up to the challenge, we are going to crash the glass, etc. And that is just what they did. You know why the Jazz usually lose to the Hornets…..cuz they have Monty Williams, he just plain old out coached Corbin. Jazz have way more better younger players, yet the Hornets seem to be heading in the right direction, Monty is a HUGE reason why.
*take away Kanter and Favors..
Al basically handed 19 points to Robin Lopez. Oh and get this, he was the one “guarding” Ryan Anderson when he made the last minute 3 to put the Hornets up. I hope we can get something good for him @ the trade deadline. Mike Wilbon and Jalen Rose mentioned in their “if I were GM for a day” segment that they would trade Al Jefferson to the Bulls for Charlotte’s future first round pick.
Dallan, I like your squad of Mo, Gordon, Marvin, Paul, Al, Favs, Kanter, Foye, and Burks.
As much of a hustler and scrapper as Carroll is, he should NOT be taking minutes away from Hayward, Marvin or Burks.
That’s freakin ridiculous. Throw Carroll in when teams go on runs. Use him to make him make their lives hell, interupt their flow, and get physical with them. That’s why we got Carroll anyway!!! He is a 3rd small forward!! Guys like Carroll are great backups IN ADDITION to your core players.
Burks can penetrate and get to the line like no other.