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Game 38: Hawks 103, Jazz 95
Posted by: TACOREV on January 11th, 2013
The author's views are entirely his or her own and may not reflect the views of the Utah Jazz.After holding a 15-point lead late in the third quarter, the Jazz blow it in Atlanta.
Devin Harris hit 7-of-8 including 4-of-5 from downtown to scorch his former team with 24 & 5. Josh Smith finished with 15/10/6, while Lou Williams added 14.
Foye led all scorers with 25, hitting 6-of-7 from 3. Jefferson had 23 & 10, Millsap added 20/13/5, and Hayward scored 12 off the bench.
My drive home was much longer than usual because of this cursed never-ending blizzard, so I listened to a good portion of the game in the car on the radio. The unbearable David Locke referred to the second unit as “Watson and the Kids.” That unit struggled, and Locke seemed so confused by its recent difficulties.
Duh. With Watson on the floor, the Jazz play 4-on-5. The other team leaves Watson alone and double teams the others, it’s been happening for a while now and will continue to happen as long as Corbin keeps playing him. Hard for that unit to get anything going when playing 4-on-5.
Worst part is that the FO and coaching staff probably interpret this as “Oh you see? The young guys aren’t ready yet!” and will further decrease their playing time and thus their development. It seemed that way tonight, as Favors, Kanter and Burks combined for only 29 minutes, going 0-for-7 collectively. Watson? Yeah, he got 21 minutes.
The Jazz are back at .500, 8-15 on the road. Tomorrow night they close out the three-game road trip at Detriot (13-23).
Jazz player of the game: Randy Foye
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I literally do not believe that people who say Corbin is a good coach watch the basketball games. And i’m 100% positive the only team they watch play is the Jazz.
Tyrone Corbin lost this game. And no, I’m not blaming him because it’s convenient. His blatant mismanagement of rotations and player effectiveness on the floor is unparalleled in the NBA. He cannot design a play or get his team to implement one out of a timeout. His play designs are simple and and ineffective.
He does not have a handle on the score, shot clock, or game. He does not know when to call a time out. he does not know how to stop momentum. Nor does he know how to ride momemtum.
For example, Paul Millsap and DMC were KILLING it. He benched DMC for the entire 4th quarter, and the majority of the 2nd half. he also benched Millsap for the majority of the 2nd half. When he brought him back, the Hawks were easily able to see what Ty was doing and adjust.
He left Watson in the game for the majority of the second half. Now yes, our bench sucked tonight. That is NOT Tyrone Corbin’s fault. However, it is his job to make substitutions when players are struggling.
It is his fault that he allowed his team to blow a 15 point lead and fall behind by 5. He didn’t make substitutions until the Hawks were ahead, halfway through the 4th quarter.
If you let a home team, a playoff team, make a comeback and get into your head and your player’s heads you are a bad coach. If stand idly by while your team commits suicide on the court without even calling for time or making a substitution–glet alone drawing up a play–you are a bad coach.
If you claim otherwise, you are not paying attention. The look of disgust on our players faces said it all–particularly Millsap and Carroll. The fact that they haven’t completely checked out by this point is a testament to our teams chemistry, of which I will admit Corbin does do a good job handling.
But he is a failure on all other levels.
#FIRECORBIN.
mmm I love see Ty’s face when Watson makes 3 point foul over Harris… no more comments about What?son.
Awful Jazz d on perimeter….. thats not What?son miostake
Jazz player of the game: Big Al… OMG we re loosers…
When asked about the collapse, Corbin says: “We thought the game was over.”
Isn’t that why the Jazz pay you millions to coach these guys for 4 full quarters??? It is your job, “COACH” corbin, to make sure these guys put in a full 48 minutes. If they begin to assume the game is over and start to unravel, YOU need to call as many timeouts as needed to make sure this team does not completely fall apart. If you have to spend a full 60 seconds doing nothing but yelling at these guys to get their asses in gear, you have to do it. You coasted through tonight on the sidelines more than any player did on the court.
“We thought the game was over” is inaccurate.
Coach Corbin thought the game was over
Right on, Nick!! #FIRECORBINNOW
Just Corbin being Corbin, just like expected. At least Howard and CJ had expiring contracts, otherwise who knows what Corbin is capable of doing.
The young guys did not play well, but when Corbin gives them limited minutes, theses young guys tend to force things in order to make an impact cuz they are desperate to showcase, rather than letting the game come to them. Corbin has created a horrible environment for developing youth, they are more paranoid than anything, while vets are allowed to play like trash and never lose their minutes (case in point Al and Watson, CJ, Howard, even Bell–on court that is). It was nice having you guys, good luck with your future teams Favors, Kanter, and Burks, I don’t blame you at all for leaving.
Just a reminder:
In Al’s 5 DNPs from last year….
12/30/11—Philadelphia 99 @ Utah 102 W
Devin Harris: 26 minutes, 5/11, 8/9 FT, 3 assist, 19 points
1/25/12—Toronto 111 @ Utah 106 L (2OT; end of regulation score Raptors 90 – Jazz 90)
Devin Harris: 36 minutes, 8/12 FG, 7/11 FT, 6 assist, 24 points
1/30/12—Portland 89 @ Utah 93 W
Devin Harris: 23 minutes, 5/7 FG, 3/4 FT, 4 assist, 13 points
3/17/12—GSW 92 @ Utah 99 W (1OT; end of regulation score GSW 87 – Jazz 87)
Devin Harris: 30 minutes, 5/13 FG, 1/2 FT, 5 assists, 12 points
3/18/12—Utah 103 W @ Lakers 99
Devin Harris: 34 minutes, 6/13 FG, 9 assists, 12 points
If only we had traded Al for Marvin….
the bench did bad, usually they take the lead for the team but the last 2 or 3 games they havent done so good so everyone is freaking out..theyll come back. But the starters suck at defense. Whenever a guard gets beat on the dribble and goes into the paint Jefferson just moves over not even trying to block them or even foul them..Derrick Favors got 15 min tonight,he only got 2 shots and i know his offensive game isnt that good, hes learning but its hard when he only get very limited minutes but i don’t think you take him out because he is struggling offensively,he is amazing defensively and he is a lock down defender (D favs 2 blocks)( AL and Millsap total 0. Are bench needs more minutes and are starters cant finish games in my opinion.
Make a trade.
I don’t get why Corbin insists on giving the ball to Favors and Kanter in the post. 80% of the time it will result in a turn over. Why not run pick and rolls?
Christ on a cracker.
The fact that Jefferson went 23/10/3, Sap went 20/13/5 and Foye scored 25 points and we lost is effing ridiculous.
To see one of Favors, Kanter, or Burks have a bad game is one thing. But for all 3 of them to play the worst game of their careers all on the same night is infuriating.
Corbin is a terrible coach, yes, but our bench blew this game for us.
Omar, I’m pretty sure this is the best game Devin Harris has ever played. Every game he’s played this year was without Al Jefferson, and he’s averaging 7 points a game… as a sg.
You guys are pointing at Corbin for being bad because he left Watson in, but what was he supposed to do? Go back to Tinsley? He gave Burks a shot and the man just didn’t have it tonight. None of the young guys played well on either end of the floor sans Hayward. For the young guys, this was one of those “growing pains” nights.
That being said, I thought Ty did a bad job tonight with timeouts. With about 1 minute left in the 3rd, the Jazz desperately needed a timeout and he let them play out the quarter.
I thought going zone at the end was a good choice but not the best choice. Hayward’s difficulty guarding Josh Smith is what forced the hand of Corbin to do this. I would have rather seen them go big and put Millsap on Smith. Maybe he would have considered it if Favors was playing a better game.
Anyways, I’m not trying to say Corbin is an elite coach. I’m just saying I’m not sure we could get one who would do much better.
@millslapped totally agree about the pnr/pnp with Favors/Kanter. Kanter has a killer midrange game just waiting to show out on a pick n pop.
We have a nice young core to contend in the future, but we don’t have that one go to guy that will put us over the top. Someone like a James Harden or Damian Lillard. Hopefully Dennis can work some magic and get a high draft pick. Or maybe he is doing some overseas scouting to get us someone good late in the first round.
@Colten, I’m pretty sure the Jazz and Hawks have different rosters. The point being made is that Jazz could have dumped Al and freed up 34 minutes of playing time for Kanter and Favor, that would benefit them developing their game, while picking up Marvin, while keeping Harris as our backup PG…..a whole lot better than Watson is.
3rd Quarter: JAZZ v HAWKS
5:41 Earl Watson enters the game for Jamaal Tinsley 65-53
2:20 Derrick Favors enters the game for Paul Millsap 75-60
0:32 Enes Kanter enters the game for Al Jefferson 75-68
0:32 Alec Burks enters the game for Randy Foye 75-68
4th Quarter: JAZZ v HAWKS
9:44 Paul Millsap enters the game for Derrick Favors 80-76
9:44 Al Jefferson enters the game for Enes Kanter 80-76
9:07 Randy Foye enters the game for Alec Burks 82-76
7:20 Jamaal Tinsley enters the game for Earl Watson 82-80
Jazz were up 12 when Watson entered
Jazz were up 15 when Favors entered (for Sap not Al)
Jazz were up 7 when Kanter and Burks enter for Al and Foye
Jazz were up 4 when Favors and Kanter exits (up 7 enters up 4 exit)
Jazz were up 6 when Burks exits for Foye (up 7 when enters up 6 exit)
Jazz were up 2 when Watson Exits (up 12 when enters up 2 when exits, thats on Corbin!!!)
@Colten, when you say blame bench, be specific cuz Burks, Kanter, Favor, having their “worst game of their careers” only played during a 4 minute span ALL 2nd half, and at most gave up 3 point margin. Jazz had 6 point lead when they exited. Watson when from 15 point lead to 2 point lead. Watson played 10 minutes in the 2nd half. Burks, about 3–NONE at the PG by the way.
Ok, let me be more specific…In a combined 28.5 minutes Favors, Kanter and Burks had 6 rebounds, 1 assist, 8 fouls, 2 steals, 4 turnovers, 2 blocks, and 0 points on 0-7 shooting. Also Watson IS part of the bench? I didn’t mention him specifically because nobody expects him to do anything…
But he did have 2 rebounds, 5 assists, 3 fouls, ONE turnover, with 4 points 2-4 50% shooting. You honestly think Earl watson sinlge handedly blew a 15 point lead?
Also the whole BENCH had a negative +/-, while none of the starters did.
Im with Nick. His coaching errors arent about just developing C4. Corbin just isnt working out.
#fire corbin
Again its 4 on 5 with Watson in the game. He is literally ranked close to last in the NBA in a bunch of categories such as fg% and ppg. His defense is Horrible and he cant run any offense.(maybe he should pick up his dribble more) The guy is beyond bad! Any coach who leaves him in the game at all, let alone 21 mins, deserves to be fired. Burks could of scored 0 points and 0 assists and still would be a 100 better with just his defense alone. At least a guy would guard Burks. Corbin yanks Burks after 7 mins. Like Omar said, no wonder these guys try so hard and force things when they are finally in. How come if veterans get the similar stats in a few minutes on te court i.e. Watson, they are not pulled? You guys already called out the Timeout thing and nailed it. Frustrating!!! #firecorbin
@Colten let me be specific for you! We shoot around 45% as a team for the year. When Tinsley is out there we shoot around 48%. When Watson is out there we shoot 40%. When Burks was out there the last two games we made HUGE runs. So do you think by having him out there decreases the young guys good shots because he can not run an offense and it is 4 on 5? UH YUP!
So here are some questions for you…
1) If we are that bad with Watson out there why is he still playing when we have others on the roster who could do it better?
2) Why after the game Corbin is asked why Burks did not play more he specifically said ” he was playing bad had to get him out of there”? Are you kidding me? When other players are playing bad do they get played 7 mins? Oh no Earl played 21 last night and he was playing putrid. So where is the consistency? That gets the players pressing like was stated above.
3) Why before the game did Corbin say his concern was the quickness of the guards and that is why Burks could not play point? CAUSE WATSON AND TINSLEY ARE QUICKER THEN BURKS?? If he thinks that he should be kicked out of the airplane on the way to Detroit.
You see the reason this is on Corbin is because he continues to fall under the pressure of agents talking to him! Watson cries about his agent? BOOM! More time. Carroll talks to his agent? BOOM! More time. I would GUARANTEE there is more then just them as well. Since ya know Favors has been kicked to the curb and been getting lower and lower minutes. Huh sounds like Millsap probably talked to his agent. So he runs who is supposed to be on the floor and for how long but really it is for whoever has the most loud agent is going to get the time.
Ya know, I find it interesting that the Lakers took action immediately when their coach was not up to par, yet we’ll wait around two, three seasons at the least. Truthfully, I don’t see Corbin going anywhere this year. It’s already halfway through the season, the FO trusts him, and their so passive when it comes to making decisions. The Jazz organization plans for the moment, they’re not making plans for the future. The Jazz philosophy: “Let’s structure the team so that we do ‘good’ every year and make the playoffs consecutively.” This should be their philosophy: “Let’s structure the Jazz so that we surround them with the talent and assets needed to win a championship in the future. We’ll sacrifice a few ‘good’ seasons, for future ‘great’ seasons.” But I don’t see it happening right now . . .
@Colten, the bench minutes are not stacked, they runn concurrent: so its not that they played 28 of the 48 game minutes and shot poorly they lost, cuz the reality is they played 4 minutes in the first half and about 4 minutes in the 2nd half. They are on the court at the same time, so only 8 minutes of the 48 minutes were Burks, Favors, and Kanters minutes. You cant blame them for the loss. Who played the other 40 minutes of game time?? Watson played 21 of the 48, as the PG, as the suppossed general handling ball running offense.
The starters had a 6 point lead in the 4th quarter when Favors, Kanter, and Burks played their last seconds. Jazz only had a. 2 point lead when Watson exited the game. At 7:20 left in 4th, Jazz had a lead, 82-80. You want to know why Jazz lost? Its cuz the starting lineup cant play D. In 7 minutes, the Hawks put up 23 points?! Lol?! How is that Burks, Kanter, and Favors fault from the bench?
So when people look at the O end and say, “look at the great O numbers Al and Foye put up, and did Jazz lose?” Cuz they are TERRIBLE defenders! Tinsleys too slow. And the Millsap and Al interior D is trash like all year, and Hayward had a mismatch. Corbin did absolutely nothing to adjust.
Im so sick of Corbin, and then reading Dallans comments, makes me think that Corbin is not only stupid but is equally a spineless coward and puppet makes basketball decisions based on non basketball politics and BS.
#FireCorbinNow
Ya we can talk about Foye being good last night on OFFENSE which he was but guess what? The guy we was guarding put up huge numbers as well. We have spoken about this with Al. He can score 17 all he wants but if he allows his guy to score above his season average every night it does not help us..
I don’t getting see post game interviews so I rely on you guys to hear those and the more I hear, the more Corbin seems like a complete moron.