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Game 61: Cavaliers 104, Jazz 101
Posted by: TACOREV on March 6th, 2013
The author's views are entirely his or her own and may not reflect the views of the Utah Jazz.The Jazz squander one away during the final minutes in Cleveland (21-40, 12-18 home).
Kyrie Irving posted a 20/10/7 game as the Cavs finished the game on a 10-1 run over the final two minutes. Tristan Thompson and Wayne Ellington each scored 16 while Alonzo Gee had 15, with Marreese Speights adding 14 & 7 and C.J. Miles scoring all 12 of his points in the fourth quarter.
Hayward led the Jazz with 25 & 7 with three steals, but did have one crucial turnover late in the game. Kanter finished with 17 & 7, Millsap recorded 16 & 8, and Burks scored 14. After starting off 0-for-6, Foye hit three 3-pointers in the third, finishing with 11 points. Favors only scored six points, but was a difference maker on defense, blocking four shots and grabbing 12 boards.
Mo’s return was far from extraordinary (though anything more than “zero points” is an improvement at our PG position), posting 8 & 6 on 3-of-12 shooting. His go-ahead layup in the final seconds was halfway down before popping out.
The newly benched Watson and Marvin did their usual nothing, combining for zero points in 21 minutes. Just benching these two isn’t enough. They need DNP’s because neither is producing anything — literally, nothing!
There’s no reason we need a 10-man rotation anyway. Just get those two out for good, eliminating 21 completely wasted minutes, and cut it down to an eight-man rotation.
What lost this game, ultimately, was Kanter not being in alongside Favors. I love Millsap, but if Corbin doesn’t get over his veteran obsession, we are going to keep losing games we should have won. Kanter was having yet another great game, and Favors was a beast on the defensive end. All Millsap did in the fourth quarter was get called for travelling, foul twice, make two free throws, and get blocked once… by C.J. Miles. Millsap was not the defensive presence that Kanter was, which is what you need on the floor when protecting a lead.
Also, Burks was playing some solid D on Irving, and Corbin pulled Burks as well with four minutes left. After that, Irving scored eight of his 20 points — nearly half, in the final 3:55. But of course, those veterans Foye and Mo (who’s returning from injury after three months!) can’t not be in the game!
At 32-29, the Jazz are barely holding onto the 8th spot in the West, just a game and a half ahead of the Hated Lakers… who came back to erase a 25-point deficit and beat the Pelicans tonight.
Next up is the Bulls on Friday for part three of this four-game road trip.
Jazz player of the game: Enes Kanter
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NO Hornets (until next year) scored a measley nine points in fourth quarter. Win goes to the Fakers who were behind by as much as twenty..
I don’t have any fight left in me. I’ve punched out for the season. The idiocy of Tyrone Corbin knows no bounds. I’ll be sure to root on the young superstars in their new teams.
1) Burks gets pulled Irving goes off on Foye.
2) Mo misses layup cries out of bounds instead of fighting for loose ball.
3) ref changes call mid call from charge to block.. Affected by the crowd.
was gonna write a alot but DAMM!!! thats all..
just hurry up and wipe this team clean of scrubs
good work REV.
Tweet I wanted to pass along:
KYLE F GUNTHER @GuntherKFAN
Instead of investing minutes in potential superstars (Kanter/Favors) the Jazz this year have invested in proven NBA journeymen PM/Al. Silly
That call was horrible, Milsap was clearly in position and the ref saw it to and was about to call the charge, but once he saw that Kyrie made it and the crowd erupted he changed it to block..FREAKIN BS!! Burks should have stayed in there and Kanter should have gone in for Milsap who wasn’t doing anything. Again Corbin doesnt play the guy who is dominating the whole game for the 2nd straight FREAKIN GAME!!!! God he is dumb when it comes to coaching. Can we just fast forward to next season?? We clearly arent going to make the playoffs as we have the hardest schedule remaining out of the Lakers, Rockets, and Warriors. And I cant stand the rotations the Ty chooses to go with, you’d think that 60 games into the season he’d have it figured out by now. I have never wanted anything more as a Jazz fan then to have Corbin fired.AAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I swear Corbins rotation choices are going to be the end of me. Kanter/Burks were doing well on both ends. Why keep them out? Although I’m glad to have Mo back, He and Millsap should have been out there in the end. Both were not playing well. I guess I was so pissed at are wretched pg play that I totally forgot about Mo’s downfalls. Hero ball sucks and thats on the coach. Also not looking forward to Al returning.
I hope AL plays on friday just so we know for a fact that Kanter and Favors wont play, instead of having our hearts stepped on by Corbin when they get pulled even though their balling out like a mothaf#$kas
The Bucks gave really killed the Jazz I think and this game was like an aftershock. I really feel this might be the beginning of a very bad stretch. A blow out next games wouldnt surprise me.
And to think how high we were last week?!
The problem with Marvins minutes is that they were at the 4 position. So not only is Marvin struggling, but Corbin moves him to the 4?! And takes minutes away from Kanter?! And now DC isnt getting those minutes with C4 where he has been playing so well.
Watson is trash.
Hayward will NEVER be moved to the starting lineup so long as Al is the centerpiece of the Jazz. Our best front court combo is Kanter and Favors and the Hayward and Burks combo looks deadly!! You would think Corbin could put 1 and 1 together, but thats not happening.
Corbin seems to be over his head and losing this team more and more each game.
Would you rather have corbin fired, or Big AL Jeffy and Milsap re-signed next year?
Haha @John, that’s like asking if you would rather be burned alive or drowned?!?!
Id say fire Corbin, cuz mmmaayyybe we get a Pop type coach that doesnt take $hit and rips Al and benches him and Sap.
Idk, Im fixing to tap out pretty soon when Al returns
andrew you and me both man. im not one to dislike my own kind but Corbonehead crossed the finish line.. next year cant come fast enough
Why did Mo feel like he needed to take 12 shots in his first game back?
Who was supposed to be guarding CJ the 4th quarter?
Why in the hell did the Jazz not slow down the game the final 2 minutes to reduce the amount of possessions? The fewer the possessions, the fewer opportunities Cleveland would have had to make a comeback?
Stupid, stupid mistakes from professional athletes that make millions!
its all been said already, Corbin doesn’t get it … ‘with the 13th pick in the NBA draft, the Utah Jazz select…’
Dang freakin Hayward again!!!!!! WHY IS HE ALLOWED TO TOUCH THE BALL AT THE END OF THE GAME? We were up by 1 and he is running? What ever happened to running out the clock? He is an idiot. He absolutely sucks at driving to the hole.
I forgot, Mo is an idiot also for taking that contested 3 right before. We were up by 4 points. Just Why???
Jazz up 9 with 2 minutes left and successfully shatter my heart and balls 2 games in row.
That last minute of the game, I felt like a 2 year old when they get hurt… I know I just got smacked in the face, but it takes me several seconds to realize I need to start crying. WTF happened?! I swear for every great play that Hayward has, he has a completely dumb assed one coming. The Jazz make me lose sleep because I stay up for hours just being furious. EFFFFFF! We just lost 2 games in a row, one to a mediocre team, and one to a bad team, WITHOUT Al Jefferson… You can argue that they were close and there was good effort, but it doesn’t make any difference if you lose by 1 or 50. Except the game lost by 1 hurts a lot more.
I actually don’t think Corbin coached a bad game. He played Watson and Marv minimal minutes. I was going to be furious when he put Watson back in, in the fourth, but it didn’t happen. Our players lost this game by making awful mistakes in the last 2 minutes, not Corbin. (except for not calling a timeout when we got the rebound and were down by 1 with 10 seconds left, wtf was that?)
One last thing, I liked Speights, maybe we could find a way to bring him in to be our 3rd big w Favs/Kanter.
All Corbin’s fault of course.
Our future go-to guy had another crucial TO late game (which looked like he was getting body-checked a little much)- Corbin’s fault
Demarre gets the start we wanted, played awful in the 1st quarter – Corbin’s fault again
Mo misses a game winner by a pube – Corbin’s fault
Ref blows an obvious charge call – Corbin’s fault
Kanter asks for a breather, subs out – Corbin’s fault
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In all honesty, I would have loved to see Burks stay in, but Mo has proven to be the better late game player in the past. I thought Mo took a couple bad shots around the 2 minute mark that allowed the Cavs to come back.
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On the bright side, we can see how much benefit it was for Hayward/Burks to share that backup guard spot, especially Burks. At times it felt like we had two pgs on the court at the time which was awesome.
Kanter is gonna be a superstar. I wonder if Al would take a position as big man coach for him after this season? That turn around jumper mm mmm.
andy i was saying the same thing on that kanter jumper.. thats a baaaaaaaaad man,, what in the hell will the league do in a few.. strong post and can shoot.. disaster for ppl in a when he starts next season
- Demarre Carroll was the right man to defend CJ Miles
- Alec Burks was the right man to defend Kyrie Irving
- Enes Kanter was the right man to defend the rim
- Hayward should be starting and finishing games. He can’t come off the bench after 7 or so minutes in the 3rd and be efficient up to the last second of the 4th.
… so yes, this (another) one is on “Corbin the sorcerer’s apprentice” who is still not able to manage his players.
Hayward should never finish a game again. I dont care about the other 45 minutes. He doesnt usually lose us the game in that time.
In Hayward’s defense, I would rather have him learn to finish games and be the closer. He has enough talents, but just lack the mentality that champions develop in the first few seasons. He plays too soft on the offensive end when he drives into the lane, absorbs the contact or initiates it.
It’s not a problem of mentality. It’s a problem of lucidity and minute management.
Hayward is running out of gas because he plays 100% in defense AND offense during too important stretches of time, including the always up-physical money time. Corbin should have learned how to manage this aspect of his rotations and have guys at full lucidity in close games.
That’s why …
Hayward must start AND finish. Not comme off bench for 15 consecutive minutes that include the hardest ones. Lebron rests. Chris Paul rests. Any key player rests before money time.
Just need a smart coach. Not an apprentice.
#Firecorbin
I love the Jazz but I can’t take anymore. I am beaten. I do not forsee there being any circumstance that I watch another game this season. I will still follow a bit on twitter and such, but it’s too frustrating and pointless to watch these guys lose. Corbin is a stupid fool to say the least, the team has zero discipline, no one can handle the ball in clutch time, stupid mistakes, no one would even box out Speights. The guy got like 15 offensive boards it felt like. I don’t need this. I have too much going on in life to waste my time watching Corbin destroy my team.
Lol, Kaner’s numbers since Al’s injury:
32.3 minutes; 12.0 FG attempts; 69.4%; 3.3 FT attempts; 80.0%; 13.0 rebounds; 19.3 points per game on 12 shots!!! Lol—and he plays superior D!
Kanter is shooting 20.5% better than Al?! Not Two % better…..TWENTY % better than Al!! The problem is his minutes get shorter and shorter thanks to CORBIN. Instead Al taking Kanters minutes, cuz Corbin played Marvin at the 4, Favors got minutes at the 5 cuz of course Sap has to get his minutes, according to Corbin, so rhats why Kanter, even though he was dominant, only got 21 minutes! Corbin’s fault!
And of course Jazz cant finish the game with a vet on the bench, so the dominant D player Favors could not finish the game with the dominant front court player….again Corbins fault.
Cavs full court press, Jazz have a lead, but rather than have an extra ball handlee that gets to the rim and can break a press, rather than control the ball and play good D to secure a lead ….Corbin elects to go with Foye that really is not a good defender and a 3 point speciakist—not a ball handler and a player that gets to the rim thus breaking a press, and played poor D?! Corbins fault for not playing Burks.
Mo didnt control the game at the end, even though he is a vet, but sure blame Hayward for getting hip-check from behind. But I think you are forgetting to look at the whole picture:
Jazz scored 25 points in 4th quarter:
Hayward: 8 points
Burks: 7 points
Kanter: 4 points
Millsap: 4 points
Favors: 2 points
Mo: ZERO points (9 minutes)
Foye: ZERO points (6:50 minutes)
So basically, the vets, that are in there for leadership and close games out…..scored 4 points (all Sap) in 23:50 minutes played?! While Kanter and Burks, and the guy you are blaming for the loss, Hayward, played good D and scored 19 of 25 points. So the guys not good enough to finish, not vet enough to finish, and the guy you blame for messing up the game, scored about 80% of the points……lmao!!!
Foye, Mo, and Sap finishing the game and keeping Burks and Kanter IS Corbin’s fault.
Kanter played 4 minutes in the 4th.
JYD played zero minutes.
I guess with a lead in the 4th a team should try to play for threes to close a game out rather than play D, I guess??? Thats a new one.
Anyone blaming Hayward for the loss couldn’t be more clueless. Sure, his turnover was pretty bad, and even I was screaming “PASS THE BALL HAYWARD!!” at the TV. But since when does one turnover erase an eight point lead? If the right players are on the floor at that time, we still have an eight point lead, and Hayward’s turnover is irrelevant.
Jazz are in a hole anyway. Most of the nation including and especially the press want to see a Fakers/Spurs first round..
Not to mention that without Hayward’s effectiveness in scoring and distributing, we likely would have been blown out.
I count 9 for sure wins for Lakers. I count 5 Lakers should win (Bulls, @GSW, Bucks, GSW, Rockets). 3 toss ups (@Hawks, Grizz, Spurs–2nd to last game, so), 3 games Lakers should lose (@Pacers, @Blazers, “@”Clips).
I would NOT be surprise if Lakers go 15-5 to finish.
Jazz really need to get their house in order—right quick!!
Seriously, seriously think which players are playing the best right now on Jazz roster??? Right now, not over a career, right now? If I had to rank them:
Kanter
Hayward
Burks
Favors
Carroll
Sap
Al
Evans
Foye
Mo
Tinsley
Marvin
Murphy
Bell
Watson
Rotation needs tothe be trimmed, best players need to start, otherwise Jazz will be at best the worst lotto pick. AND Lakers get a chance to runn the table—worse yet!! Stern gets his late night dream come true of Kobe vs. LBJ!!
Jay Bilas said Burke has a CP3 quality and he believes Burke is the player of the year….so that might be the only consolation should Jazz be in lottery.
If Burke wins player of the year he won’t be there in the middle teens.
The only thing keeping Burke out of the top ten is his height. I still would like to see him as a Jazzman..
At Omar, I can’t let your list go unappreciated. I enjoyed seeing that you ranked Bell above Watson. Well played. And also very true.
Tacorev you are clueless. We still had the lead until Hayward spazzed. It is very much relevant. Nobody on this site will ever blame Hayward for anything. He always gets the pass.
@JRN
http://www.utahjazz360.com/rainman/utah-fan-goggles-b/
This should explain everything.
Never said he gets a pass, in fact twice I’ve acknowledged how crucial that turnover was. But to say that it what lost the game for us is flat out dumb. A lot more went into the loss than one turnover, especially considering how many other positive contributions Hayward put into the game. The Jazz had lost control of the game — a game they should have won, and were well on their way to winning — WAY before that turnover. Think it through, buddy.
Man I was fumin with with Direct TV when my satelite took a dive in the first part of the 2nd . I missed the rest of the game . This is the first game this season that I didnt get to watch all of it .
This kinda sucks that we let this game get away from us . Oh well maybe next year .
8-17 FG; 3-5 Three point FG; 6-8 FT; 7 assists; 3 steals; ONE SINGLE turnover in 34 minutes……..thats why!
@Kevin, Hahaha, at least Bell doesnt waste minutes! And Watson only averages 2.0 more points more than Bell.
25 points to lead all scorers from both teams.
Favors scored only 6 points because they only gave him the ball in the post twice the entire game!!
If someone thinks this loss is on Hayward, they don’t have a solid understanding of the game. ONE turnover does not make you lose an 8 point lead. Certainly it can affect momentum, but our momentum was long gone before that turnover occured. And even then, momentum swings are part of the game. You have to be able to recover under any circumstance. And that recovery is a team task, not up to one individual. We wouldn’t have even been in this game to begin with if it wasn’t for Hayward’s play. How many fast break dunks did he get when we needed a little energy?
It isn’t giving him a “free pass” because of “Jazz Goggles”. It’s understanding the evolution of a 48 minute game and not misplacing the blame. Losses like these are almost ALWAYS on the coach. Bad substitution decisions, bad timing on timeouts, not getting your players under control at key points.
Seems I gave this idea (see 20 answers up) to the Salt Lake Tribune, just from tenth of thousands kilometer away from my sofa …
http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/jazz/55972969-87/jazz-hayward-corbin-minutes.html.csp
Hhmmm…..interesting…..is the Jazz media actually independent from the Jazz organizations?! Wow!
Change is a process, might take a while but this is encouraging.
Youre gonna call out my understanding of the game? haha you are an idiot. Lets see your credentials. If you understood the game any better than me you would not be sitting on your computer commenting on a fan forum. Please get over yourself. Unless there is an O’Connor missing from the end of your screen name please come back to earth and realize that playing high school ball does not make you some basketball guru.
Tacorev pay attention too. Simple fact is. We had a one point lead. Hayward gets the ball with one minute left and SPRINTS down the floor. He gets the ball stolen with a full shot clock and that turns into a fast break that puts Cleveland ahead by one. That right there changes our whole strategy. Instead of milking the clock we have to score. Why didnt Hayward just hold the ball and run out the clock? Say we dont even score, Cleveland gets the ball back down by one with 35 seconds left. No fastbreak but they have to set up a play. We have the advantage. That would change the momentum back toward the middle.
Did you see that play at all or did your fan goggles filter it?
I do not put full blame on him. Because Corbin is an idiot and Mo Williams took a contested three pointer with a full shot clock the play before. We had a 4 point lead at that time. If anything the three can share the blame. Hayward is just as responsible as the other two for our meltdown.
That wasnt the first time Hayward has blown our shot at a game either. Its a common reoccurrence in his career. Like the Milwaukee game. I like him. A lot. He has a bright future but he just isnt a good player in crunch time.
“I do not put full blame on him….”
Ok there you go, you’re starting to get it. The turnover was indeed killer! But until just now you’ve placed the loss completely on Hayward’s shoulders. I’m not defending his play at the end of the game, especially the turnover, which I have said (for the third time now) was crucial — as in a crucial part of the loss. All I’ve been saying is that there was so much more going on that led to the loss well before that turnover hurt us.
For one thing, when Corbin sees Hayward sprinting down the floor like a dribbling fool, with only a matter of time before he coughs it up, he should call a TIMEOUT. You know, those tools coaches have which he has no idea how to use.
There were more things that Corbin had control of, that he didn’t do the way he should have, that were collectively more crucial to the loss than that one turnover.